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Posted Jan 6, 21 9:30 by Tim Henninger (pälzer)

Unkown New York - Brit. Pckt.

The mark attached I couldn´t find  in Hubbard / Winter. It has a diameter of 26 mm and is similar to Hubbard / Winter type 115...but there is no 30 cts included. Can somebody possibly help ? The letter is probably from 1861. Regards Tim


Posted Jan 6, 21 9:04 by Alexios Papadopoulos (alexiosp)

Transatlantic sailing

many thanks for posting the link, I will make a search and see what I can find.
The greek writing on the bottome left corner seems to me that it is simply New York in old style greek. The French paquebot that carried the letter to Marseille was the Tancrede.

Posted Jan 6, 21 6:34 by Winston Williams (winstonw)

Transatlantic sailing


I suggest you search through the newspapers here:-

Also suggest you review the Greek writing recto lower left. I guess it is the name of the ship to Marseille. But sometimes a sender would give instructions for the 2nd leg of the journey.

Posted Jan 6, 21 1:21 by Alexios Papadopoulos (alexiosp)

Transatlantic sailing

I have just purchased this 1844 entire letter from Greece to New York via Havre. The NY Ship marking is dated June 9. Which ship could that be? Thanks in advance!


Posted Jan 5, 21 23:22 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Handelman colonial

Odd that there is no dater to go with the NY marking and no town to go with the red dater.  The 10 is Colonial domestic.  The 1/10 is colonial domestic plus packet (to London I think).  The rest gets it the rest of the way.  10 could be Boston (or down to Newport).  I don't understand why it would be Philadelphia, as there is no evidence it was treated as an incoming ship letter at Phil (2.16 plus .16)  Perhaps that explains Tim's gnomic pronuncimento, though the dater looks to me red -- is it magenta.  Something odd about that cover, especially if the verso is intact.

Posted Jan 5, 21 23:08 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Rev war ends

Leonard,My exhibit at NYC 2016 had the only cover I have seen to be carried along with the British confirming copy of the treaty to NY.  Surprisingly, the British were already preparing to leave based on the US copy brought in from France.   Such gentlemen.  They nailed the Union Jack to the flagpole and greased it.  The cover is migrating to my Br. packet collection.
That Feb. 1783 letter is not strictly correct, as the truce was not proclaimed in America by the British in March, I think, and to Washington's troops on April 19 (war anniversary).  The treaty was conditional on a general settlement of the war, a sop to our ally, who we slightly screwed, and the ratified treaty did not reach America til October, after which, as I mentioned, we botched the ratification on this side which did not get settled for many months.  The British did not evacuate some sites for a long time -- the excuse was the failure, legit under the treaty, but crass, in not reimbursing the Tories whose properties had been taken  -- indeed, things weren't properly settled until 1845 or 6 after a war scare over the issue.   (Webster-Ashburton -- nice treaty.0

Posted Jan 5, 21 22:09 by Richard Matta (rkmatta)

Canal Boats

At one time I owned two covers carried out of the mails (with cargo) on the C&O Canal in Maryland. I sold one and donated one to the C&O Canal historical society.

Posted Jan 5, 21 18:18 by Roger Heath (decoppet)

Red borders

Richard, Steve, and Winston -

Thanks for your ideas and reasoning concerning red bordered envelopes.
I still find it interesting that I have never seen another Swiss cover with this "decoration", so there must be a very obscure reason this person used the red bordered envelope at that time. I'm looking at perforated Sitting Helvetia covers all the time, and this is it! I'll continue to look.

Posted Jan 5, 21 17:44 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

2020 Favorites

This might be my 2020 non-US favorite. 

I wrote that one up for a different Postal History Sunday post. 

I guess that might be an indicator how much I enjoy an item.  If I get it and am immediately inspired to post on it, that's a pretty good sign?



Posted Jan 5, 21 17:42 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

2020 Favorites

I always enjoy a good story to go with a decent piece of postal history.  So, this is one of my highlights for 2020.

I wrote a Postal History Sunday post on this item that both postal historians and non-postal historians seemed to enjoy.

I hope everyone is doing well.


Posted Jan 5, 21 17:15 by Terence Hines (thines)

Erie Canal

Thanks you all for your answers to my inquiry about Erie Canal mail.

Posted Jan 5, 21 14:13 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Illegible challenges

Deciphering colonial chicken scratches here.

Posted Jan 5, 21 12:06 by Lars Boettger (lars boettger)

Favourite Purchase of 2020

The stamp below was in terms of catalogue value the most expensive item I have ever purchased (postage included) - 8 times catalogue value. This is the least expensive stamp of Luxembourg I have ever encountered with a forged cancellation. The last time this type of cancellation LUXEMBOURG * VILLE * was ever used is 17 April 1947. A worker at the post office has entered the cancel in a ledger with a strike when it has been returned.

The strike is pretty convincing. But if you put the cancel on the top of a genuine strike, you see the tiny differences. My guess is, that no "normal" collector would have give a second thought that the cancel might not be genuine an a 0,30 Euro stamp...


Posted Jan 5, 21 9:01 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Arts & Crafts Request

I would like to purchase about 36 -40 used stamps:

1861 issue 1c, 2c and 3c used mixture (heavy on the 3c is OK). A friend wants to do a Civil War arts and crafts project that will entail laquering the stamps onto wood. Condition can be faulty but would like stamps to be complete perforations.

Thanks in advance ...

Posted Jan 5, 21 8:35 by John Wilson (vladivohaken)

IRC value in 1942

Many thanks for the information. This will be most useful, even though a bit obscure.
John W.

Posted Jan 5, 21 7:12 by Bill Lehr (jobi01)

IRC value in 1942

John W:

According to Tony W and Henry Beecher the cost of an IRC in the US, October 1, 1925 to October 14, 1948, was 9 cents.

Posted Jan 5, 21 6:03 by John Wilson (vladivohaken)

International Reply Coupons

Off the wall, but I wonder if anyone can tell me what was the value on a US IRC in 1942? I used IRCs many times as a radio ham but this is a postal history enquiry (believe it or not).
Anyone know?
John W.

Posted Jan 4, 21 21:39 by Larry Maddux (pls2430)

New Albany Cover

Stan and Steve

     I think that the data on the cds to the left is Sept 23 with the 23 upside down or it could be Sept. 28 upside down.

    Stan be sure to ask to see the cover on your next trip the the west coast.


Posted Jan 4, 21 20:57 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Carried on a canal boat

The bottom cover carried on the James River Canal


Posted Jan 4, 21 19:49 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

Oregon Stampless Cover

Based on the spacing, looks to me like a two-digit date in that postmark.

Posted Jan 4, 21 19:27 by Farley Katz (navalon)

New Albany cover

I agree with Stan that the left CDS is probably Oregon City. But the date looks like Sep. 9, which would conflict with the handwriten "Sept the 17th 1854."

Another thought is that the ink for both CDSs and the 10 looks very similar, with similar oily halos. Why is that?

Posted Jan 4, 21 19:19 by Matthew Liebson (liebson)

Canal boats

A favorite of mine - the letter is from the post office department to the postmaster of Zoar, Ohio (a canal town):  "The Postmaster General has accepted C.m. Gidings, Agent of the Ohio Canal Packet Line Co. as contractor for transportation of a daily mail from Cleveland to Portsmouth on the Ohio Canal to visit all intermediate offices on the line during the present season of navigation.  All mail received at your office, which might be facilitated in its transportation by this line, should be made up and forwarded by it."

But, more to the point, the question was about the Erie canal.  Hugh Feldman's waterways contracts book would have the answer as to whether there were mail contracts let on the canal.  I don't have the volume readily at hand, which means it's probably time to reorganize my library again.


Posted Jan 4, 21 19:11 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Erie Canal

I believe mail was carried on canal boats, but the postal markings are bogus.

Posted Jan 4, 21 18:31 by David Handelman (davidh)

BNA colonial

Thank you, Tim. I always try to show all the relevant portions of the covers; there are no other marks on either cover---but part of the reverse of the 1767 cover (ex-Wood) is missing, so ...

Posted Jan 4, 21 18:02 by Stan Grove (alaskastan)

Oregon City, twice

I'm pretty sure that the leftmost strike on Larry Maddux's New Albany cover is also from Oregon City -- all of its elements line up with those in the slightly better right-hand strike. Can't read the date, though -- perhaps Sep 27? In which case the cover reached the Oregon City office in 10 days, only to languish there another week and a half (I suppose for any number of frontier-related reasons) before getting a second strike and (presumably) being sent on its way.

Note that Larry also meant to say 1851, not 1861.


Posted Jan 4, 21 17:26 by Terence Hines (thines)

Erie Canal

Was the Canal ever a postal route? That is, was mail carried by the boats that travelled the Canal?

Posted Jan 4, 21 17:18 by Tim O'Connor (drtimo)

BNA Colonials

David H....thanks for posting your NS material. It's a treasure to see these. I can help with rates, dates and markings; but it'll have to wait until I get back to Boston (I'm actually closer to Nova Scotia now). I would ask if there is another back panel (unfolded) for the Eglinson letter, which would show the magenta BOSTON transit marking, and the black NY arrival date (aka "Franklin" mark). On the Dockwra letter, the 5 O'Clock time mark is nice too. Feel free to contact me off board, if you wish. Tim

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