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Posted May 21, 20 7:14 by Tim Henninger (pälzer)

PCM SF to Tübingen

@Richard and David, thank`s a lot, but allow another question: Was that an overland-mail with 28 cents credit for the US or as noted from the sender a mail "with steamer via Panama" ?

Regards Tim

Posted May 21, 20 6:58 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Prussian Closed Mail cover to Germany

It is a quadruple 30c rated cover. Total postage $1.20 in red crayon and red "28" credit.

Posted May 21, 20 5:02 by David Handelman (davidh)


Could it be 28, not 98 (there is a faint loop on the bottom, with some of the horizontal stroke very light?)?

Posted May 21, 20 1:37 by Tim Henninger (pälzer)

San Francisco - Tübigen (germany) 1860-06-05

I have a problem with the the rates of the paid-letter attached, even considering a possible higher weight level. Because of the processing in Aachen exchange-office (prussia)  I assume a PCM. It was posted in San Francisco on 1860-06-05, arrived at New York 25 days later on 1860-06-30.

After overseas-transport, receipt in Aachen exchange-office on 1860-07-14 and at the destination Tübingen (Württemberg / germany) on 1860-07-16. What does the tax notes "98" and "120" mean ? The sender noted "per steamer via Panama". Was transport via the Isthmus realistic in 25 days at all ? Regards Tim


Posted May 20, 20 19:31 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)


Steve, it's an early use of a U.S. postal card anywhere. The first day of issue was May 12, 1873.

Posted May 20, 20 19:27 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

Route !

ME's explanation certainly makes sense. Can't go by train if there's no track.

Thanks, KL for setting me straight on the transit time. Nine days is even more impressive. Even by todays' modern highway system, it's 480 miles from Helena to Salt Lake City and a further 1,180 miles to Iowa City.

P.S. Shouldn't that be a very early MT territorial use of the postal card?

Posted May 20, 20 19:03 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)


Thanks, Mike.

Steve, you read the wrong arrival datestamp. Nine days transit including start and end.

The Yellowstone Expedition was then in progress, and was having difficulty. Sitting Bull's warriors attacked Custer's cavalry in eastern Montana just a couple of weeks before this card was posted, prefiguring their fatal encounter three years later. There was no way to send it directly east. That's why I asked for help. The time seemed too short. But Mike's reference appears to explain it.

Isn't that part of the reason why collectors are attracted to Western covers?

Posted May 20, 20 17:55 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

Route ?

I'm so glad this ain't my area, as I can risk being dead wrong in the hope that by doing so won't hurt no one.

Only 11 days between mailing and addressee's reply? Had to have gone by train, perhaps from Butte across most of Montana, across North Dakota to Minneapolis, then down to Iowa.

Posted May 20, 20 17:55 by Mike Ellingson (mikeellingson)



Probably by (daily) stage from Helena to SLC, then onto the eastbound UPRR toward Iowa. Seems to be the only way to make the trip in the 8 or 9 days or so your postal card took. The transcontinental lines of the Great Northern and Northern Pacific were not completed in Montana at this time. Really another decade before that would have been an option. The Northern Pacific had only made it to Bismarck Dakota by 1873, then pretty much all RR construction halted due to panic of 1873.


Posted May 20, 20 15:29 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)


How did this card travel from Montana Territory to Iowa in August-September 1873?


Posted May 20, 20 13:37 by george dekornfeld (docgfd)

A.O label on French cover

Thank you David !

Posted May 20, 20 13:22 by David Handelman (davidh)


It stands for autres objets (referring to what is more or less equivalent to third class mail). The encircled 5 likely is a French carrier mark.

Posted May 20, 20 12:50 by george dekornfeld (docgfd)

A.O label on French cover

This 1957 air mail cover was mailed from the College of France, Paris to New Jersey in 1957.

Is the 'A.O' in diamond label a request to acknowledge receipt or does it stand for'Autres Objets' (other articles)? Note also the label is tied by a tiny '5 in circle' handstamp.

Any help appreciated.


Posted May 20, 20 6:47 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

National Geographic history of the U.S. post office


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