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Posted Aug 21, 19 21:59 by Paul Dessau ([email protected])

NY to Paris

Thanks Rob-that would explain it.

Posted Aug 21, 19 21:31 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

NY to Paris Cover

I believe that is a "13" not an "18"

Posted Aug 21, 19 18:59 by Paul Dessau ([email protected])

NY to Paris cover

I acquired this cover recently. It was posted, before I owned it, in the PhilaMercury census with ID# 1426. There are no markings on the back except for traces of a red offset. The New Orleans postmark is dated Nov 18. How did it get to NY by Nov 19th?


Posted Aug 21, 19 17:12 by Nick Kirke (nick kirke)

Mary Harris

Bit late to say goodbye to Mary but then its never too late to say goodbye to such an enormously warm hearted woman. Labron`s booth was always one of the best places at a show to rest one`s legs and not to feel pressurised to buy something. My standing joke with them both was that they appeared to specialise in bewitching NYFM cover fronts. One such cover had been rebacked at least twice in its career. It`s now been rebacked a third time. Of course said cover will always remind me of them both and the way they operated. It was never so much a business operation as more of a friendly swap money for something reasonably priced. What an absolutely brilliant team. I hope Labron finds the strength and will to continue his stamp business. His friendliness and big smile was very much part of what made them so different.

Posted Aug 21, 19 14:33 by Leonard Hartmann (hartmann)

Typed 1884 letter

Doesn't fit my collections, any interest
nice star rubber stamp receiving on the back July 26, 1884
anotation dictated letter

Leonard at


Posted Aug 21, 19 9:41 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

via Callao

Yackandandah to California, 1858


Posted Aug 21, 19 9:30 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

via Callao

Melbourne to London via Callao, 1853


Posted Aug 21, 19 9:27 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

via Callao

Melbourne to New York via Callao, 1853


Posted Aug 21, 19 9:25 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

via Callao

Melbourne to Edinburgh via Callao, 1851.


Posted Aug 21, 19 7:19 by Rainer Fuchs (rainer)

Mrs Iva Mouristen presentation on “A Royal Ménage à Trois and its Historical Consequences.”

I followed this presentation at the philatelic symposium in Greece in April 2018 and can highly recommend it. Funny Story...

Posted Aug 21, 19 1:46 by Mark Benvie (marben)

New Zealand to South America

The attached image shows the only cover I am aware of from NZ to a South American destination (in this case, Brazil) prior to 1875.


Posted Aug 20, 19 22:40 by Douglas Chapman (foodrev)

Studebaker cover

Thanks to who responded. It seems that 1853 or 4 is most likely. That fits nicely with his known times in California.

Posted Aug 20, 19 20:24 by Stephen Johnson (stepjohn41)

Studebaker Cover

If the CDS is 31.0 mm diameter it would be ELD-2930 in Williams, California Town Postmarks. He shows that CDS earliest use 29 Feb 1851 and latest 10 Apr 1853. If the CDS is 30.5 mm diameter it would be ELD-2990, which shows earliest use 15 Nov 1857 and latest 12 May 1864. Those dates are the known dates when the book was published. Dates outside those parameters most probably exist. Hope this helps.

Posted Aug 20, 19 19:41 by David Benson (dbenson)

Tonga, 1850 Missionary entire to London via Valparaiso & Panama.

As far as I know, the only known entire from Tonga that travelled eastwards,

Carried by favour of the Captain of the British warship " HMS Maeander " which left Nukualofa late June on route from Sydney to Valparaiso.


David B.


Posted Aug 20, 19 16:20 by Bill Longley (longley)

Henrik Mouristen Lecture at Canada's Greene Foundation.

Professor Henrik Mouritsen will give a lecture during October's Stamp Month as part of a series of global lectures supported by the FIP, RPSL and the Philatelic Specialist Society of Canada and the Greene Foundation.

Lecture announcement

From the article,
“The Greene and the PSSC created the Sutherland Lecture to bring to Canada world-level philatelists and their great collections with the purpose of giving Canadian collectors the opportunity to hear these individuals and to have an opportunity to view their world-class exhibits on subjects that are not normally seen in Canada,” said Verge, who’s an award-winning exhibitor, an international-level judge, a past president of The RPSC and one-time member of Canada Post’s Stamp Advisory Committee.

Mouritsen’s talk, “Three Views of Danish Philately, 1875-1907,” will explore his large gold-winning 19th-century Danish exhibits, which he’s entered in the traditional, postal history and postal stationery classes. Through these exhibits, he plans to emphasize the multiple uses exhibitors can make of the same material in different exhibit classes.

A philatelic judge whose career started in Canada when he was a post-doctoral student at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ont., Mouritsen is the author of the six-volume Danish Postal History 1875-1907 published in 2019. It’s the definitive detailed study of the transition to the Universal Postal Union (UPU) and its rates and regulations for all types of Danish mail before the implementation of the UPU treaty on Oct. 1, 1907." Canadian Stamp News.

As an added bonus, Mrs Iva Mouristen will also present a lecture and "will speak to her open class FIP large gold-winning exhibit, “A Royal Ménage à Trois and its Historical Consequences.” This is a historically factual story of the loves, lies, secrets, intrigues and lives of 18th-century Danish King Christian VII, his Queen Caroline Matilda and his physician and prime minister Johann Friedrich Struensee, who’s also the queen’s lover."

It will be nice to see Henrik back in Canada again.

Posted Aug 20, 19 15:17 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

Australia tp South America


Australian newspapers record that from July 1840 through January 1857, there were 395 departures from Melbourne to South America's west-coast ports. The overwhelming majority of these sailings were to Callao, most of the rest to Valparaiso. I am still researching 1858-1860.

There was no thriving commerce with S. America at that point, as evidenced by the limited goods listed in Ship News columns - usually less than a full load. Most ships appear to have used a South American port as a way point before heading north, or around Cape Horn.

Letters to South American destinations from Victoria during this period are rare. Less rare but still hard to find are letters endorsed via a South American port. Most of those went via Callao, where mail could enter the British postal system. Most such letters went to the UK, but mail via Callao to European and North American destinations has been recorded.

Nor should one expect that a cover NOT endorsed for a South American port did not go via South America. See The Collectors Club Philatelist, v. 91, no. 4.

Posted Aug 20, 19 14:32 by Gary Loew (garyloew)

Australia/New Zealand Mail to South America

While researching origins and destinations for my upcoming Seaposts APS On The Road course, I've been looking at incoming and outgoing ANZ covers. There is a large body of material to pretty much every continent. But I've seen no ship mail between ANZ and any country in South America.

I recognize that opportunities for trade were few. And not much in the way of common emigration or other cultural ties.

Still, there must have been some mail. Can anyone offer examples?

TIA Gary

Posted Aug 20, 19 12:23 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Vin Fiz Flyer correction

For readers of my Vin Fiz Flyer article in Linn's:

My main Vin Fiz Flyer article correctly places Imperial Junction in California, but my census mistakenly reports the cancel as Imperial Junction, Ariz., four times.

Posted Aug 20, 19 9:25 by Scott Treacey (pertinax)

American Express (stamp)

Thanks Richard.

I'm slogging through these and have been able to prove over 90% are fakes or reprints - which doesn't surprise me!


Posted Aug 20, 19 7:30 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

American Express (Stamp)

Scott - The example you show is considered to be a forgery. There are numerous designs produced by Hussey, Scott and other's for the philatelic trade. 

I am of the opinion that the stamp does not exist as a genuine although I think the PF has certified one or two as genuine.

Posted Aug 20, 19 5:23 by Scott Treacey (pertinax)

1856 Smith & Dobson

Thanks David, and yes indeed please do hit me with GBLE questions!

If I may impose again.

(I have a whole album of these in front of me and to say I'm out of comfort zone would be an understatement!)

Chances are high this is fake but you never know.....


Posted Aug 19, 19 21:52 by Mike Ludeman (mml1942)

Stamp Bill Books

The Stamp Bill Books are a series of six Ledgers used by the Third Assistant Postmaster General to record the production and receipt of postage stamps, stamped envelopes, stamped wrappers, produced by various contractors between 1870 and 1897.

The originals are part of the National Archives Record Group 28.  In 2004, in a joint effort between the APRL and NARA, these books were microfilmed, and a copy placed in the APRL.  Several years ago, I borrowed this microfilm, converted the microfilm to a series of PDF files, and added some annotation.  Since the originals consist of only manuscript entries, OCR and searchability is not possible.

I recently was able to have these posted on-line where they can be download.  Don Denman, who operates the Stamp Smarter website, now has them available for downloading at the following Link: Stamp Bill Books

Please let me know if you encounter any problems with the files.  The image below is an extract from the NARA Finding Aid.



Posted Aug 19, 19 21:15 by David Benson (dbenson)

Scott Treacy


Good to see you back.

If any member has any questions regarding Great Britain Line Engraved's, Scott's your man. He doesn't have to look up references, it's all in his head,

David B.

Posted Aug 19, 19 20:44 by Leonard Hartmann (hartmann)

US Carrier's items

The carrier stamp, i only glanced at it when posted assuming it was out
of my area; however i have no doubts to say it is not and does not
resemble any CHICAGO cancel and i think also any other of the period


Posted Aug 19, 19 8:28 by Scott Treacey (pertinax)

US Carrier's items

Yes indeed, hello again Richard.

Many thanks for having a look at these, both.


Posted Aug 19, 19 7:56 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

1851 Carrier Stamp

Scott - Hello again!

Your loose stamp appears to be a reprint with a fake Chicago postmark. Chicago did not have carrier service during the period of use of that stamp, the form & lettering of the cancel is of a later type, the paper looks wrong, the stamp impression is wrong, etc.

I agree with Ken that the cover is genuine

Posted Aug 19, 19 6:04 by Scott Treacey (pertinax)

US Carrier's items

Lovely, thanks Ken.

Posted Aug 19, 19 5:41 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)


The star is smudged, but I think the Philadelphia cover is OK.

Posted Aug 19, 19 5:38 by Scott Treacey (pertinax)

US Carrier's items

Second image.


Posted Aug 19, 19 5:37 by Scott Treacey (pertinax)

US Carrier's items

Hi all and nice to be here. I was a member on RF's board some years ago but let it lapse.

Could I trouble members for an opinion as to whether these two items are genuine?

The first purports to be the 1851 (1c) blue on pink and the next the later 1851 1c blue on cover with the 3c orange-brown Washington.

Comments would be much appreciated.



Posted Aug 19, 19 2:26 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Western Union Telegram

It pays to check the enclosures in your covers. Sometimes you will find a bonus.

Examining the contents of Cover ID 28359 I found neatly folded inside the letter a Western Union Telegram from 1858. The letter itself references it . . . mentions a family crisis and going to the telegraph office to send off and receive despatches, rushing to buy railroad tickets for family members to go to the side of an ill relative.

Here is image of the telegram itself, which cost 70 cents to send.


Posted Aug 18, 19 17:05 by David D'Alessandris (davidd)

Studebaker Cover

The cover was mailed at the 6 cent rate, so it must have been mailed between July 1, 1851 and March 31, 1855.  Most of the miner's illustrated envelopes were used in 1854-55. 

Posted Aug 18, 19 15:30 by Douglas Chapman (foodrev)

Studebaker Enthusiasts

I purchased a "grab bag" of old and oldish covers.

This cover was a surprise. My grandfather would drive nothing but Studebakers until forced to go to Buicks when Studebaker folded.

It was sent by John Studebaker to Peter Studebaker in the mid 1850s.

John went for gold to Placerville, but saved $8000 making wagons for the miners. He used this immense sum (nearly $250,000 today) to take home to help the Studebaker brothers found the enterprise which made wagons, carriages, and eventually autos. (Their first was an electric car in 1902).

Can anyone tell me by the CDS anything about dating it to year? He was in Placerville 1853-1858.



Posted Aug 18, 19 7:36 by Russ Ryle (hoosierboy)

re: looking forward to future PDR's to come

Morning Richard and all,

It is with mixed emotion but a lot of understanding I received the news that the PDR 2019 has been canceled. As usual I am behind on getting things ready. Richard, you have a full plate on a good day keeping this board and web site running let alone when things need changing or decide to change themselves. Thanks again for all you do for the hobby.

Posted Aug 17, 19 22:40 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)


Oklahoma State University - America's Brightest Orange

Posted Aug 17, 19 22:29 by David Snow (dwsnow)



Thank you for your post about Mary and Labron Harris' background. Mary told me about Labron's professional golf career, but I did not realize they grew up in Oklahoma.

When Richard wrote "OSU" I immediately thought of Oregon State University, from my adopted state . . . campuses in Corvallis and Portland.

But I think Richard meant Ohio State University instead, which I think he might have attended. So OSU can mean three different Universities.

Posted Aug 17, 19 20:27 by Glenn Estus (gestus)

Type E 4-bar 1930-1931 information wanted

Does anyone know if there is a listing of post offices that used the Type E 4-bar issued to smaller post offices in 1930-1931. I have done searches of a number of indexes as well as using various on-line search engines and have found very little.


Posted Aug 17, 19 18:43 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Richard wrote:

"Even though both were from the "other" OSU (the one in Oklahoma), they still made a great couple and good company wherever they traveled. The show circuit will not be the same without Mary."

Yes, Oklahoma State. Where Labron and Mary attended. Is there another OSU??

Mary and Labron grew up in Stillwater OK knowing each other since she was 4. Her grandfather was the president of OSU. Labron's father was a nationally known golf coach. Labron is a Jr. There are backgrounds on both on Wikipedia.

Posted Aug 17, 19 17:07 by Nick Lombardi (nick lombardi)

Mary Harris

Mary was certainly one of the nicest people I've ever met. She would always ask about my daughter and her horse since one of her nieces was also a horse nut. Future shows will not be the same without her.

Posted Aug 17, 19 15:52 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

Mary Harris

Jane, excellent idea.


Posted Aug 17, 19 9:13 by Roger Rhoads (roger rhoads)

Mary Harris

I first met Mary and Labron 30 years ago when I moved from Cleveland to Wilmington, DE. Since then I have met and talked with Mary at least one time per year. More recently as I have moved back to the Cleveland area it has become an annual tradition at our March Party. What a gracious lady. She is sorely missed. Does anyone have an obit? I would like to include it in the next issue of our local Perryscope.

Posted Aug 17, 19 7:57 by Jane Sodero (jmfsodero)

Mary Harris

Such a friendly face, she will be sorely missed.

I hope someone will share the kind memories members of this board have posted with Labron and the family.

Posted Aug 17, 19 6:51 by Gary Loew (garyloew)


This is a Curaçao Scott #2 from the 1873-79 period. The retroReveal seems to show "GH....BENIZOLYSTIK". Can anyone identify the cancellation or point me to a research source?




Posted Aug 16, 19 22:16 by Douglas Chapman (foodrev)

Mary Harris

As many have said, Mary was not only the kindest, friendliest person at shows, she was also the happiest. Never without a smile, she exemplified what philatelic people should be.

I remember speaking with Labron about a Kansas Territory cover once while simultaneously watching the two of them perform their magical ballet as people came and went. Few words, but with a full communication that never intruded on customers was so ingrained in their dance they did not even realize how they worked this way. It was not just long experience--it was joy. In their customers--in their product--and most definitely in each other.

Their joy was genuine and it was impossible to not sense joy at their booth.

RIP Mary

Posted Aug 16, 19 21:01 by Matthew Liebson (liebson)

So very sorry to see the news about Mary.  I can only echo what others have already said at this point, other than that Mary also always asked about my kids when I was at a show without them.

Posted Aug 16, 19 20:52 by Bob Hohertz (rdhinmn)

Mary Harris

Mary left us far too soon. Goodbye to a wonderful, caring person.

Posted Aug 16, 19 19:08 by John Barwis (jbarwis)


Any stamp dealer, indeed any businessman, could have learned a lot from Mary Harris. She made it a point to know her customers on a personal level, not just what they collect. The only professional philatelist I ever met that routinely sent a congratulatory card to those who had an exhibiting success.

She always had a smile and a kind word. A welcoming, caring person. One in a million.

Posted Aug 16, 19 17:10 by Ravi Vora (nusivar)

Heartfelt Condolences to LaBron & Family

I join the legions of board members who is grieved to learn of passing away of Mary today. Like many here she was the most amazing, caring, charming, kind and helpful to both LeBron and us, their clients. Kathy and I had the pleasure of sharing dinner table at one of the Houpex shows some years ago and I had a wonderful visit with both of them at Westpex and then at Napex this year.

She will be sorely missed by all of us and pray for LaBron to carry on her legacy.

Posted Aug 16, 19 12:58 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Mary Harris

Mary and Labron have long been a most good natured adornment to the show circuit. I am sorry to hear of Mary's passing.

Posted Aug 16, 19 12:34 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Mary Harris RIP

Even though both were from the "other" OSU (the one in Oklahoma), they still made a great couple and good company wherever they traveled. The show circuit will not be the same without Mary.

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