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Posted Sep 27, 20 8:47 by Russell Crow (cornwall2)

1 sheet/signature

Here is the front panel of the cover.


Posted Sep 27, 20 8:45 by Russell Crow (cornwall2)

1 sheet/signature

A little late to this discussion but it took a while to find the attached cover. It was sent from Dartmouth College in 1827 and there is a manuscript "1 sheet" on the front of the cover. It measures 27" x 22". The sender utilized all of the available space in writing his letter.


Posted Sep 27, 20 7:33 by Winston Williams (winstonw)

Olenkiewicz packet listing


I too have just downloaded John's title, listed below without any difficulty, off this board.

North America Packets (Bristol, Falmouth) 1710-1715 1755-1840

I was unable to download the updated version for a few months after it was put on this site, but my end the fault vanished by this time last year.

Posted Sep 26, 20 14:44 by John Olenkiewicz (johnoz)

Olenkiewicz packet listing

Bernard: I downloaded my title, listed below without any difficulty, off this board yesterday Sept 25th after I read your message.

North America Packets (Bristol, Falmouth)

1710-1715 1755-1840

Posted Sep 26, 20 5:40 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Sailing files

bernard - what file are you having trouble loading? Give me a link please.

Posted Sep 25, 20 20:44 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Olenkiewicz packet listing

John -- great to bask in your august presence.  Both versions seem to be hosted by this site.  But the old 2013 version downloads instantaneously and, as I test it now, the 2019 version doesn't really download at  all -- several minutes and still no page 1.  A slightly flawed version trumps a perfect, but unusable version.  Odd.  I gather the expanded version includes the Boston sailings.  Those have a certain interest and are not easy to find.

Posted Sep 25, 20 18:22 by Ken Harrison (westpaper)

Early Nevada Wells Fargo Carson City

My contention is that there was uncertainty about UT NT designation so none.


Posted Sep 25, 20 16:43 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Unification of Italy 1870

Before I forget, take a look at David D'Alessandris post of Sept. 18th: Siege of Paris/Unification of Italy, in which he shares a 1870 cover franked with Papal States stamps, from Frosinone, Italy to Rome, just before Rome fell.

150th Anniversary of of the Fall of Rome when Garibaldi's troops triumphed. Great cover, thanks for sharing it and the story, David.

Posted Sep 25, 20 15:47 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Garibaldi, Oregon

Here is one more cover from Garibaldi, Oregon, from 1966. A philatelic use franked with the 4c green Garibaldi "Champions of Liberty" commemorative series stamp of 1960.

However, the domestic letter rate went up to 5c on Jan. 7, 1963, so for some unknown reason this cover was not charged 1c postage due. Or it could have been a hand-back at the post office counter.


Posted Sep 25, 20 15:34 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Siege of Paris and Garibaldi

Just getting around to commenting on the great covers in Steve Walske's post on September 18th: 150th Anniversary of the Siege of Paris - field post card from a French prisoner-of-war, and a Ballon Monte cover addressed to the Italian patriot Giuseppi Garibaldi.  Outstanding items and great stories - thanks Steve!

Coincidentally, it is also the 150th Anniversary of the establishment of the Garibaldi post office in Tillamook County, Oregon, on the Pacific coast, on August 9, 1870. Only two 19th Century covers are recorded from Garibaldi (1892 and 1893), from 4th period of operation.

Here is what Richard Helbock wrote in his Second Revised Edition of Oregon Post Offices 1847-1982 (1985):

Garibaldi, Tillamook County
Estab. 9 Aug 1870. Dis. 29 Feb. 1876. Re-estab. 2 Feb. 1880. Dis. 6 Feb. 1883. NCT: Hobsonville. Re-estab. 10 Sep. 1886. Dis. 6 Apr. 1888. Re-estab. 8 Feb. 1892. Dis. 31 Oct. 1895. Re-estab. 26 Oct. 1899.

Named for the Italian patriot Giuseppe Garibaldi, by Daniel D. Bayley, 1st PM. Located on the north shore of Tillamook Bay. The erratic service of this PO reflects a long rivalry with Hobsonville PO, located just a mile to the south on the opposite shore of Miami Cove. Garibaldi eventually won out, but it was a long competition.

I don't have any early covers from Garibaldi, Oregon, but will share this attractive 1951 commercial use from the town with corner card, franked with 1950 stamp honoring John Luther (Casey) Jones (1864-1900), locomotive engineer killed in train wreck near Vaughn, Miss.


Posted Sep 25, 20 13:59 by Rick Kunz (segesvar)


Thanks for the message and the reference to Guide. Since this is a Route Agent cancel I found no reference in Kay's AGT directory. Interesting that it does show up, in name only, in the RPO directory (and this very nicely done Texas list.)

And yes, the cover does have other "issues." But it's the only such marking reported, so it has some cachet despite its faults.

Posted Sep 25, 20 13:21 by Farley Katz (navalon)

Fort Worth & Guide

The Texas Postal History Society Journal (May 2010) online here has a listing of Texas Railway Post Offices which operated with at least one terminus in Texas. This is from page 7:


Posted Sep 25, 20 12:51 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

crocked covers

I think that cover has more important defects!

I certainly agree with Richard's point however

Posted Sep 25, 20 11:28 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Cropping and Rotating Images

Rick - have you noticed the board looks like "s__t" since you started posting crooked images and images that are not cropped? If it is worth asking a question of this board, it is worth taking the time to make a decent looking image.

I try to maintain a modicum of appearance for the board. Please fix your images before posting or I will deleting them.

Posted Sep 25, 20 11:18 by Rick Kunz (segesvar)

Looking for a Guide

No documentation I can find of a Fort Worth & Guide (or Cuide) Route Agent. And searching for "Guide" brings up a spew of people offering to be guides. Would love to know where this thing went off the rails.


Posted Sep 25, 20 9:49 by William Duffney (bill duffney)


Does anyone know where this Putnam CT cover resides?


Posted Sep 25, 20 9:10 by Florian Eichhorn (minatobay)

WWII Postal History

WWII Postal History
Posted Sep 24, 20 0:19 by A. Lavar Taylor (lavart1)

My latest WWII postal history acquisition is below. Franked with 10c in postage, the cover was sent via airmail in US, surface to overseas, from Washington DC to Soerabaja, Dutch East Indies on March 9, 1940. Then it was forwarded internally within the Dutch East Indies, to no avail, and then forwarded to the Netherlands.(,,)

Have in my collection a japanese card postmarked "YOKOHAMA 28.8.40" to Den Haag/ Netherlands. Has german censor and private entry marking "14 Sep 1940". A guess is that this card was held in Germany with other Netherland-bound mails due to war circumstances and the onward transportation resumed September at the latest.

This date frame could apply to Your returned cover as well.

It is however a "via Siberia" usage while Your cover probably was returned via US and Portugal, not via Siberia.

Posted Sep 25, 20 9:06 by John Olenkiewicz (johnoz)

Olenkiewicz packet error

Bernard: You should get rid of the old source your using. My final and latest listing was posted on this board at least 18 months ago.

Posted Sep 24, 20 18:35 by Leonard Piszkiewicz (lenp99)

Sending Money to Foreign Dealers

Over the years I bought items from dealers in Europe and handled payments this way, if the dealer had a bank account in the USA: Either I mailed a check to the dealer's U.S. bank for deposit in the dealer's U.S. account, or if possible just go into a local branch of the dealer's bank and deposit a check in person. This was particularly advantageous with one dealer whose website was denominated in dollars but when paid through PayPal the funds had to be converted into pounds for deposit and then converted back into dollars for charging to my account. That resulted in fees adding up to 9% of the purchase price. After inquiry about what could be done to alleviate the problem, I was able to drop by the local Chase Bank branch and simply deposit a check to his account and save the 9% -- not trivial savings when you're dealing with some pricey items. So it could be worth asking if the transaction could be kept within the U.S. banking system and keep the moneychangers out.

Posted Sep 24, 20 17:06 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Olenkiewicz packet error

Richard, John has the Windsor Castle departing on January 27, 1807 resulting in an impossible transit time.  Mails accepted to 6 PM on January 7 -- I assume that it left the next morning, but find no actual departure notice.  I am unclear on this, but if they started above Hell's Gate, it is hard to see them trying the passage that time of day.

Posted Sep 24, 20 15:54 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

5 cent 56

Mark,  The Meyer collection was excellently buffed up, but there were two anomalous covers in different divisions that correlated.  I have probably told this story before --- the two weird NO covers from Jan.57 (I now know of a third) suggested snowstorm and indeed it was a biggie.  It also explained my wonderful super fancy overall cancel 3c 51 illustrated cover from Malden, MA.  Your cover is from the last sailing before the chaos.  I have domestic from NO that mentions the storm and a 1770s cover where the presence of two markings of different day led also to a snowstorm.  I wonder if there are any examples from the super humdinger in the 1717? Unlikely.

Posted Sep 24, 20 15:27 by Mark Rogers (markrogers)

I just added four 5c 1856 covers to the census. I could not find these previously listed.


Posted Sep 24, 20 14:56 by John Barwis (jbarwis)


I have never been to a place where locals DON'T like U.S. cash. While living in China I would give U.S. bills to the office girls to exchange on the street; they got 10-15% percent more RMB than was offered at the government exchanges.

Posted Sep 24, 20 14:14 by Leonard Hartmann (hartmann)

Sending Money Abroad

Many are afraid

In many years to send cash to and from abroad
I have had only two problems in perhaps 50 years, both of no consequences,
a registered from Saudi Arabia was carefully slit open, a $20 bill was removed
and two $1 left, carefully re-glued

I use normal airmail, not registered, the minimum number of
bills, do not wrap in foil or carbon paper, sheet or two of paper
with printing, no coins, to look like a normal business or social letter

for large amounts i do by bank transfer, recently becoming
quite reasonable


Posted Sep 24, 20 11:35 by Lawrence Gregg (ecovers)

Money to Germany

I've sent US dollars to German sellers more times than I can remember with no complaints. And as a military brat who grew up in Germany I remember my dad remarking that Germans will gladly accept US cash.

Posted Sep 24, 20 10:40 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Transferring small amounts abroad

These guys don't even take credit cards.  I have had headaches with credit card transfers being blocked as unusual with resolution nigh impossible. 
Thanks all for the great suggestions and offer. 
Tim, why would a German house be looking for Swiss Francs?  This is a cover during the chaotic start up of the US-UK treaty in early 1849.  Are you thinking of the recent 18th century goodies sold in Switzerland?  I was not a bidder.  If so, I don't recall those being small amounts!

Posted Sep 24, 20 5:37 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

NEI cover

Yes, overpaid 2¢. The rate was 5¢ for the first ounce plus 3¢ surcharge for air transport in the U.S. to the exchange office. There was no surcharge option for onward air transport in the Dutch East Indies.

Posted Sep 24, 20 0:29 by A. Lavar Taylor (lavart1)


Below is a US message-reply card sent from the US seapost PO aboard the German Ship Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse, traveling eastward, on October 15, 1904. The card is addressed to the railroad director at the German House at the World's Fair in St. Louis. Forwarded within the city of St. Louis. Alas, no transit marking from the World's Fair PO. The Fair closed in December.


Posted Sep 24, 20 0:19 by A. Lavar Taylor (lavart1)

WWII Postal History

My latest WWII postal history acquisition is below. Franked with 10c in postage, the cover was sent via airmail in US, surface to overseas, from Washington DC to Soerabaja, Dutch East Indies on March 9, 1940. Then it was forwarded internally within the Dutch East Indies, to no avail, and then forwarded to the Netherlands.

The last transit marking from the Dutch East Indies is dated May 2, 1940, eight days before the Germans invaded the Netherlands. I'm not sure how long it took the cover to get to the Netherlands, or the route it took, as there are no other transit markings after May 2. Nor are there any arrival markings. Nothing of any consequence is on the reverse.

We know it made it to Europe because of the German censor tape, etc. Presumably it made its way to the addressee, given the absence of any retour or service suspended markings.

It is correspondence between two nurses. Am I correct in concluding that it was 2 cents overpaid? (Double weight would have been 14 cents?)


Posted Sep 23, 20 23:24 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

Dealer Identification

Pricing of this cover suggests it predates the "marking pen arrow pointing to the presumed salient feature" era, so it can't be Tom Mills. Can't be Bill Bogg either, since he didn't format this way, and there's no characteristic price written in pencil on the cover itself.

Any self-respecting cover dealer would know that a prospective buyer wouldn't need to be told the Scott number, as the stamp can only be #210. I suspect the seller wasn't a cover dealer at all, but rather a stamp dealer just practicing at being a cover dealer with something that simply came in with a bunch of other stuff. Whoever bought this from that dealer did the world a favor by liberating it from a place where it wasn't appreciated at all.

Kinda makes one want to go to a decent show and 'buy off the rack' doesn't it?

Posted Sep 23, 20 22:02 by Rick Kunz (segesvar)

Dealer Identification

The killer is still a puzzle, but I can't remember which dealer wrote their covers up this way in the way-back days. Anyone else recall?


Posted Sep 23, 20 20:20 by Roland Cipolla (roncipolla)

Excellent Service Sending Money Overseas

Mohamad N mentioned Transfer Wise. I have used TW for three years for many transfers - Excellent.

They charge a small fee often less than $5 and do not nip you with the exchange rates. One gets basically what is published in the London newspapers and the Wall Street Journal.

Also, with their service you get a REAL individual German bank account for your Euros; a British Account for pounds, and if you want an Australian bank account. You can make deposits, withdrawals, and transfers, bank wires, etc. Also, a debit card that works like an ATM Master Card.

It is close to a free lunch.

Good old Western Union works well too. They charge $5 but nip the exchange rate by 3%. Just log into the WU website and the transfer can be done from your comfortable chair.

Posted Sep 23, 20 19:55 by Leonard Hartmann (hartmann)

sending money abroad

The exchange fees are one point however the exchange rate another
and the recipient may have to pay a fee to get the money

not simple or universal, no free lunch


Posted Sep 23, 20 17:28 by Tim O'Connor (drtimo)

sending money to Germany

BB. I sent Swiss francs to that firm, at no charge from my Bank. The transfer required some bank ID #, which appeared prominently on the statement. The process at the bank was private, secure and socially distanced. As Eddie lowery said.."easy peasey, lemon squeezy". Your 14 days are running out. Hurry up or I'll get that lot. Tim

Posted Sep 23, 20 16:09 by Mohamed Nasr (mohamed_nasr)

Sending Money Overseas

Bernard B.:

Transfer Wise is an excellent service. They transfer the money super fast and only charge a negligible fee, compared to what banks & PayPal charge. I've used them several times to pay for my invoices from foreign auction houses.

Posted Sep 23, 20 13:46 by Charles E. Cwiakala ([email protected])

Transferring small amounts abroad ...

B   ...

I've €35 in banknotes available if needed. If so, pls give me a call: 847/204-8747


Posted Sep 23, 20 12:31 by Farley Katz (navalon)

send money by allows you to send money to a foreign bank. There is a fee, but not crazy like a bank wire transfer fee. is owned by PayPal.

Posted Sep 23, 20 12:23 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

Germans who don't take PayPal

Had that situation a year or so ago. Sent them euros in the mail. Any possibility you have some euros on hand?

Posted Sep 23, 20 12:16 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Transferring small amounts abroad

I have a small bill from a German auction house.  I don't want to go to the bank to arrange a transfer and they won't take Paypal (why?).  Any suggestions on easy ways to handle this?
I recently had a small amount from a French house and they did take Paypal -- very convenient.

Posted Sep 23, 20 10:51 by Stephen T. Taylor (UK) (stevetayloruk)

1918 flu pandemic

Recently bought a WWI collection over here with an interesting postal card from 1918: sender enquired about a delayed order.  Reply "...Regret the delay which was caused by the prevailing epidemic shutting down our factory."


Posted Sep 23, 20 10:20 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Folding Paper one and two (rant)

Mythbusters did that all wrong.  They should have put a big sheet in a very  big NASA or USAF vacuum chamber.  Of course they would have needed to wear space suits and would have need an electrically powered (which would probably short in the vacuum) mechanical roller.  1/2 mil mylar might make an interesting substitute for paper.
I ran into a subtle problem with paper folding:  I have a three cent CSA provisional postal stationery from Shoobota, Miss.  The key is that the thing struck through the envelope to the deform the back of the envelope, but the enclosed letter is not deformed by the stamping process.  The attribution was rejected by the expertizing committee (not the Foundation) on the grounds that the contained letter was deformed.
What is present is a series of tiny creases perpendicular to the fold line.  But they do not look like the letters, are not spaced like them, and extend the full length of the fold line, far beyond the region of the provisional marking.  What I realized was that these lines arise when a fold is enforced by running an oblect -- e.g. fingernail -- along it.   The resultant buckling seems temporary with some papers, but permanent with others.   The executive of the committee refused to arrange for a reconsideration.
The reason was interesting.  I had included positive comments from Calvet Hahn and Jack Molesworth (I think the cover was written up for CCP before submission).  The reason was that the committee had more years of expertise than Cal and Jack (and me, something of a neophyte then).  Something like 150 years versus 100 and some.
Hard illogic to counter.

Posted Sep 23, 20 9:51 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Cleveland to Michigan Territory cover


Thanks for information on free franking privilege. Now I know my cover was compliant, addressed to postmaster.

I added another early "Cleaveland" boxed marking (1828) to census, see Cover ID 28814. Apparently the spelling was changed to the current Cleveland in 1834, according to listings in ASCC.

Posted Sep 23, 20 8:39 by Richard Matta (rkmatta)

Folding paper

Apparently, there is no theoretical upper limit to the number of times you can fold a piece of paper, depending on the size of the paper and the thickness. A high school student folded a roll of toilet paper (lengthwise, not alternating) 12 times and came up with a formula.

Posted Sep 22, 20 22:15 by Dave Savadge (nomad55)

Paper folding - for Greg S

The Mythbusters team (from the TV show) folded a piece 11 times in 2007. I was one of the assistants who helped out, as the original "sheet" of paper measured larger than a football field. It took 43 rolls of paper, taped together with double sided tape inside an aviation hangar. A steam roller helped flatten out the final few folds.

Dang, that was fun.

Posted Sep 22, 20 22:11 by Roland Cipolla (roncipolla)

Sorry, Farley..............typo. I left it there.

Bernard, wanted to see if you were following...................THANKS.

Posted Sep 22, 20 21:43 by Leonard Hartmann (hartmann)

Paper Size and Folding

Today a printed book normally consist of multiple signatures, this is one sheet folded
to give 16 pages, for a small size it can even be 32,or as few as 4, or 8 but 16 pages
per signature is the normal

Going back into antiquity the size of a sheet of paper was smaller but for a sewn book  you need at least 4 pages per signature


Posted Sep 22, 20 21:25 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Folding Paper

The question for today is just how many times can you fold a single piece of paper in half??? Can anyone do it more than 7 times??? You may start with as big a piece of paper as you like. Good luck.

Posted Sep 22, 20 20:46 by Farley Katz (navalon)

1809 Octavo

A book or pamphlet made from sheets of paper folded three times (= 8 leaves or 16 pages) is an "octavo", not octavion or octavio.

Posted Sep 22, 20 20:08 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Rockport, Cleveland, Mich. cover

David -- the use of DPM free frank on personal letters was not an abuse.  Limitation to PO business was 1845-7 and 1863-.

Posted Sep 22, 20 20:06 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Ron's 1809 pamphlet

Gee, Ron, how could I be on the right track if I wasn't on any track at all, as per your explicit instructions?

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