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Posted May 27, 22 17:00 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

FIP Literature Class Grand Prix

That was the prize that James Peter Gough won at London 2022.

Posted May 27, 22 16:08 by Matthew Kewriga (mkewriga)

FIP Literature Grand Prix

I am surprised there is not a literature best-in-class or grand prix.

Posted May 27, 22 15:47 by Leonard Hartmann (hartmann)

Literature and Grand Prix

This can go on and on but in few words  and my only ones

Literature is not a Framed Stamp Exhibit and can not be compared
by the same criterion., ie the previous Apples and Oranges, they are not
the same

Any special awards for Literature or a Framed Stamp Exhibit is fine but
they are two different things and can not be directly compared

Posted May 27, 22 14:39 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

FIP Philatelic Literature class

Admittedly it has been 15 years since I retired as a judge, and even longer since I taught seminars on judging Traditional Class exhibits and judging Literature Class exhibits. No doubt much has changed since then, not always for the better.

However, when I was a member of the FIP Philatelic Literature Commission, treating a literature entry as a candidate for a philatelic grand prix would have been regarded as a travesty. A book is not an exhibit of philatelic material. No one can win a grand prix by displaying pictures of exhibit pages, no matter how splendid.

Note that if Henrik's interpretation of the carelessly worded GREX he quoted is treated literally, a superbly crafted website or stamp catalog can win an FIP grand prix international.

Although I have not yet had an opportunity to read it, I have no doubt that Henrik's book merits top honors (unlike a book that received the top award at another recent international philatelic exhibition). But the grand award to that other book should have alerted hobby leaders that Philatelic Literature judging is in crisis at the international level.

Besides what is an obvious miscarriage of judgment (except, apparently, to the Lugano jury and to Henrik), no one can win a philatelic award who does not own all the material in an exhibit, except in the Philatelic Literature class, where an entry can represent the author's (or authors') ownership, the publisher's ownership, or, in some instances, the editor's (or editors') ownership. Owning the items pictured on the pages or websites is not what that rule means, and cannot have been what the authors of the GREX intended.

I trust that the APS Board of Directors will instruct our representatives on the FIP commissions to correct these problems, and that the Boston 2026 committee will take great care to select experienced jurors of sound judgment.

Posted May 27, 22 11:18 by Henrik Mouritsen (dkcollector)

Literature and Lugano Grand Prix

Ken Lawrence and others on the eligibility of literature entries for FIP Grand Prix:

I am afraid that you did not read the sentence in the GREX just before the sentence about the 8 frames. This sentence states: "Details of the Competitive Class for which the Grand Prix National is awarded are contained in the IREX. The exhibits in all other Competitive Classes are eligible for the Grand Prix International." There is no exclusion of literature here. ALL classes!

It is therefore obvious that the next sentence about minimum 8 frames refers only to the "normal" competitive classes where the material is exhibited in the frames. Here indeed it is required that a candidate exhibit must have 8 frames (there is no mention of an exception if a permissing has been given to show less than 5 frames after the relevant qualification has been achieved).

As a side-note: Three 8 frame exhibits [one traditional (FIP LG 96 points LONDON 2010 and LONDON 2020), one postal history (FIP LG Bangkok 2003, Washington 2006, FEPA Grand Prix International IBRA 2009, 97 points at seven nations cup in LONDON), and one postal stationery (FIP LG 96 points and best in class LONDON 2015)], all owned fully by me are fully illustrated (3x128 pages) in 1:1 size in volume 6 of my book. Furthermore, all items existing in private hands illustrated on the 1000 illustrations in the 5 other volumes belong to me as well. Thus, in this special literature case, you get 2000 pages of new knowledge PLUS three 8-frame large gold medal exhibits of material owned by the exhibitor. The only difference being whether the material was hung in frames or illustrated on book pages. Therefore, in this case, I find it hard to accept the argument that my books should not be eligible because MATERIAL should win. If material should win, my books showing >24 frames of LG/GPI level material in three different classes at once should have won... ;-)

Apple and oranges are the case in any case as soon as you compare across classes. So excluding literature in my opinion has no logical reasoning.

Best wishes, Henrik

Posted May 27, 22 9:06 by A. Lavar Taylor (lavart1)

WWII Postal History

Leonard and Brian-

Thank you!

Posted May 26, 22 20:33 by Leonard Piszkiewicz (lenp99)

WWII Postal History

Missent to Chicago exchange office. The receiving exchange office rated for postage due, even though missent. Since the Aussies censored it, no need to censor in the USA.

Posted May 26, 22 20:33 by Brian Buru (brianb)

Mil??ra

Lavar, that would be MILDURA.

Posted May 26, 22 19:47 by A. Lavar Taylor (lavart1)

WWII Postal History

Reverse is below.

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Posted May 26, 22 19:46 by A. Lavar Taylor (lavart1)

WWII Postal History

Below is another item of WWII postal history that presents what is probably an unanswerable question. The cover was sent from Mil??ra, Victoria, Australia to a woman staying at the Niumalu Hotel (today the location of the Hilton Hawaiian village), Honolulu on what appears to have been November 28, 1941. It was short paid, and there is a postage due marking on the front.

There is a postage due stamp tied by a Honolulu oval cancel. But there is also the following marking: "Postage Due 3 Cents, Chicago, Ill For. Sec. 3". Why was this letter sent to Chicago? Were ships bound for Honolulu re-routed to the US via the Indian Ocean and Atlantic Ocean after the bombing of Pearl Harbor? Or was it merely a matter of misrouting the letter?

Also, why no US censor marking? I don't think there was sufficient time for the cover to go to Chicago and then to Honolulu before December 7. If it went to Chicago and then to Honolulu, why no censor marking from the US west coast?

Reverse, shown in the next post, does not provide any clues as to when the cover transited Chicago or arrived in Honolulu.

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Posted May 26, 22 14:34 by Matthew Kewriga (mkewriga)

Club Cancel

Joachim, it is a slightly deformed star cancel, not a "club". Genuine, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Posted May 26, 22 11:32 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

Club Cancel

JM:

Using magnification if necessary, see if the inks of the club and circular datestamp match.

- sf

Posted May 26, 22 11:16 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Apples vs Oranges

In a world philatelic exhibition, the grands prix almost always go to traditional or postal history exhibits. Lou Grunin was surprised that his Mulready postal stationery exhibit was a contender at CAPEX 96, but he did not win.

Otherwise, air mail, youth, thematic, etc., exhibitors usually win only at special FIP exhibitions limited to those classes (sports thematic exhibits at Olymphilex, for example).

Added: One could enter, say, a 5-frame or 8-frame exhibit of purely philatelic forgeries with no postal connection, such as those of Peter Winter, Madame Joseph, or Raul Ch. de Thuin, but such an exhibit would be unable to earn a large gold by virtue of its lack of importance.

Posted May 26, 22 11:04 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Lugano and Korean counterfeits

Rich Drews's caveats are correct. If an exhibitor has been granted an exemption to the 8-frame rule because not enough material exists to fill eight frames on the particular subject, an exhibit of as few as five frames could, in theory, win an FIP grand prix.

Also, if postal counterfeits exist, and certifiably authentic examples of those counterfeits are shown, they are acceptable.

The Korean counterfeits were actually made and put in the mails by pro-unification communists in South Korea to circulate their propaganda through the mails, appearing to originate from countries whose mail the South Korean government was not likely to examine. Those included (at least) stamps of France, U.S. stamps of the Liberty series (not Prexies), and U.S. metered postage imprints.

At one time I owned three of the known covers, which Michael Rogers sold for very high prices to a collector in Asia. Unfortunately I no longer have images of them. This is a copy of the page of my book on the Liberty series that includes a cover that Bill Dunn owned. I believe his widow sold it to John Hotchner.

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Posted May 26, 22 10:43 by Joachim Maas (columbus)

Fancy cancel "club"

I would like to know your opinions whether you think that the fancy cancel "club" is genuine, and any opinions about rarity. It is not listed in the Skinner Eno catalogue. The content of the letter is dated 7th Dec. 1865. Joachim

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Posted May 26, 22 10:39 by Alexios Papadopoulos (alexiosp)

Lugano Palmares

Matt,
thanks for scanning and posting the Helvetia 2022 results. It's strange that the Swiss have not uploaded yet the palmares list on their excellent site. I received mine today by post by the Greek commissioner.

Posted May 26, 22 10:30 by A. Lavar Taylor (lavart1)

WWII Postal History

John W-

Thank you very much!

Posted May 26, 22 10:05 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Apples vs Oranges

Somehow to me, stamps / postal history / souvenir FDCs / post cards / thematics / revenues / forgeries / literature / junior exhibits are all different enough that they can NOT be compared using any rational point system.

Posted May 26, 22 9:56 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Run of Frajola Catalogs Available

From Phil Bansner:

I have two runs of your 58 auction sales. Prices Realized are included. My literature item #5952.  The net price is $240.00 plus media rate shipping.

Phil Bansner

[email protected]

www.philbansner.com

  610 678-5808

Posted May 26, 22 9:35 by Lawrence Gregg (ecovers)

"... North Korean Prexy forgery covers..."

Never heard of this and I would sure like to see one!

Posted May 26, 22 8:43 by Richard Drews (bear427)

Palmares

Ken,

2 minor additions. An exhibit that is permitted to be shown in 5,6 or 7 frames is also eligible to be nominated for a Grand Prix. An exhibit can be shown with forged material in it  where the forgeries are clearly idenitified and their inclusion is important to and advances the story. The North Korean Prexy forgery covers would clearly be acceptable.

Rich

Posted May 26, 22 8:00 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Palmares

Under FIP rules and procedures, a book cannot compete for a world philatelic exhibition grand prix, which must be awarded to an 8-frame exhibit of genuine philatelic material. Did Lugano use other judging and scoring rules?

Besides that, the method of evaluating, scoring, and awarding medals and prizes to philatelic literature are significantly different from those applied to exhibits in the other classes. Literature juries typically arrive much earlier than philatelic judges, and take several days to study and discuss the entries. It's true that their recommendations are submitted to the entire jury for ratification, as are all the scoring teams' recommendations, and they can be challenged and overruled by vote of the entire jury, but in practice that doesn't occur, partly because other members of the jury are seldom sufficiently familiar with the individual literature entries nor trained, apprenticed, and qualified to judge literature entries.

Posted May 25, 22 22:55 by Steve Walske (steve w)

Palmares

No disrespect to Henrik's excellent book, but I don't think that literature should be in competition for the Grand Prix d'Exposition. Apples and Oranges. When did that start happening?

Posted May 25, 22 18:11 by Matthew Kewriga (mkewriga)

Lugano Results

Richard, correct indeed, both Schaefer and Hackmey had 97 points. Hackmey edged Schaefer out (I forget the tally).

The Uruguay was improved since winning the Grand Prix at Rio de Janeiro in 2013, adding the 1858 double figure sun, 120c tete-beche pair (only 2 in private hands).

Posted May 25, 22 17:27 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

South Africa

Richard M, I think the sender of that letter probably was accustomed to the rate before 6 December 1941.

Posted May 25, 22 16:41 by Richard Matta (rkmatta)

South Africa

Ken Lawrence - the 70c I have definitely has a Leopoldville backstamp. We discussed it about 2 years ago regarding why it had no US censor markings, photo of the front at PM post 74925.

Posted May 25, 22 14:11 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Lugano Palmares

Matt - I believe the runner up for Grand Prix National was my friend Richard Schaefer (Sr.).

Posted May 25, 22 12:23 by Matthew Kewriga (mkewriga)

Lugano Palmares

Gordon,

Sorry for the delay, I had to scan it myself since I do not think an electronic version is available. You can download here

Stamp Championship/Gran Prix D'Honour Adriano Bergamini won with the local exhibit: Ticino PH Foreign Mail, over Britz Uruguay (vote 17 to 16)

Grand Prix International: Redman Sarawak over Henrik's Denmark book, tie broken by Kimmel, wonderful result for his book. Mystified how Jan Huy's Belgium was not nominated.

Grand Prix National: Hackmey's Classic Switzerland won, although Takashi's Classic Switzerland is a great exhibit in the making including arguably the finest cover of Switzerland, the Zurich 6r, 6r, 4r registered cover sold as part of Erivan's Switzerland at Corinphila.

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Posted May 25, 22 7:37 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

South Africa

Ken and Soren,

Thanks so much for the information and explanation. I have just contacted the seller.

Best, Mark

Posted May 25, 22 7:34 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

South Africa

70¢ per half ounce was the last trans-Pacific rate.

Posted May 25, 22 7:07 by Richard Matta (rkmatta)

South Africa

I can't put my hands on it now but I have a cover to SA in that period that has 70c postage on it, and I've seen several others.

Posted May 25, 22 6:34 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Yes, Brian's is the Canadian guide. The U.S. rate was 60¢ per half ounce. I agree that two stamps did not originate on Mark's cover.

Posted May 25, 22 5:52 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

Postal Guide update

Brian,

I have checked my files of the Official Foreign Postal Guide for both 1943 and 1944. It consistently gives the rat as 60c per 1/2 oz. I was hoping that you were correct, because of the odd rate, but it does not appear so.

Mark

Posted May 25, 22 5:22 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

Postal Guide

Brian

I’ll have to dig out my files. It is my understanding that the rate during that time was 60¢ per half oz. I have several covers - including multiples - rated that way in early 1945. There may be a short live rate I missed. I will check.

Mark

Posted May 25, 22 4:17 by Sören Andersson (sorena)

Patent Office WWII $3.38 Franking, Postal guide 1944-1945

The copy shown from Postal Guide 1944-1945 seems strange to me. I guess this is from a Canadian Postal Guide.

Posted May 25, 22 4:16 by Florian Eichhorn (minatobay)

N.Y. Directory 1868-9-70

Directories for New York 1862-72 are certainly online.

(1) NYPL has them all I guess
https://nypl.getarchive.net/amp/topics/new+york+city+directory+1868
Change year as desired.

(2) archive.org has many, their search system, well...
Search archive.org by ("New York") (directory) 1865

Results in query
https://archive.org/search.php?query=%28%22new%20york%22%29%20%28directory%29%201865

and replace "1865" according Your wishes.
E.g. for 1863 or 1865:
https://archive.org/details/trowsnewyorkcity1863trow
https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_hY4tAAAAYAAJ

Posted May 25, 22 1:55 by Brian Buru (brianb)

Patent Office WWII $3.38 Franking

Mark, I am attaching an extract from the 1944-1945 Postal Guide, which shows an airmail rate of 75c per ½oz to South Africa. This works (75c x 4½ = 337.5c) assuming the final ¼oz was allowed, as seems to have been the case.

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Posted May 25, 22 1:19 by Michael Mahler (mikemahler)

Petroleum

Thanks for the hints, improved my searching technique and unexpectedly hit paydirt in the 1869 Poor's Manual of Railroads, see attached. So the draft was executed not at Petroleum Center, Pa., but Petroleum, W. Va.! Even better, this is the only oil-related piece I've seen from W.Va. during this era. There are 1865ish stock certificates for companies with works there, but all issued elsewhere. But what the heck means "Supt. Tubing Line"?

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Posted May 24, 22 20:31 by Sören Andersson (sorena)

Patent office WWII cover, the rate

The air mail rate to South Africa was 60c pr ½oz so 338c is not a correct rate. However to me it looks as the 11 and 20c did not originally belong to the cover and other stamps were placed in their position, so it may have been a correct franking once.

Posted May 24, 22 17:57 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

Patent Office WW2 cover

Soren, Thank you. I’ll do that.

Posted May 24, 22 17:37 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Petroleum fiscal history

The firm at 134 Front Street, New York City, was Thompson & Bedford, manufacturers of oil products, part of the Rockefeller trust.

Posted May 24, 22 17:15 by Sören Andersson (sorena)

Patent Office WW2 cover

Covers with markings like these are seen now and then and If you go to www.uspostalbulletins.com/pdfsearch.aspx and search for foreign economic you will get several hits dealing with information regarding these markings especially during 1944-1946.
Sören A

Posted May 24, 22 15:45 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

Reverse of previous cover

Thanks

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Posted May 24, 22 15:43 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

Patent Office WW2 cover

I’ve gone through a few sources with no luck. Hoping to short cut further research by posting this cover here.

Can someone explain the patent and licensing markings? Can someone explain the $3.28 rate?

What was likely in this envelope?

Thanks for any help.

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Posted May 24, 22 12:33 by Michael Mahler (mikemahler)

Collectors Club May 18 revenues

Thanks Kim, Video is now online at:

https://www.collectorsclub.org/Collectors%20Club%20Featured%20Video/

My portion is a video version expanding on a single frame exhibit already online here, on Nevada Terr. stock certificates.

Posted May 24, 22 11:37 by Michael Mahler (mikemahler)

N.Y. Directory 1868-9-70

Working on articles on the philately of petroleum, specifically its fiscal history, 1862-72. The backstory of the attached 1869 draft from Petroleum (Center), Pa., appears to rely on the identity of the firm at 134 Front St., N.Y., of which W. H. Boyd was treasurer. Thought this would be an easy find, surely N.Y. directories of the period would be online, but no such luck. Another illustration of the reality that the www is wide but not very deep! Can anyone help with this? I'm guessing the firm were suppliers of iron products, including tubing, which were small diam. pipes sunk into oil wells once they were drilled. (Called "tubing" the well, an essential process). This would fit with S. E. Clark, the maker of the draft, identifying himself as "Supt. Tubing Line," which I take to mean the company's line of tubing (different diams, thicknesses, etc.). The word "Line" is ambiguous, though. Most often used to refer to early pipelines constructed to carry oil from the relatively remote oil region. Could "Tubing Line" have been a pipeline?

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Posted May 23, 22 16:56 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Lugano

Does anyone have a list, of know where it is posted, of the points awarded to each exhibit?

From the pictures I have seen, it looks like the location was absolutely beautiful. Wow!

Posted May 23, 22 12:21 by Henrik Mouritsen (dkcollector)

First ever literature exhibit to be nominated for Grand Prix International at an international exhibition

As the first book ever in the history of philately, my book, "Danish Postal History 1875-1907" which includes all the UPU regulations for ALL types of mail during its first 32 years of existence, got 98 points and was officially nominated for FIP Grand Prix International at the FIP exhibition in Lugano, Switzerland.

There were four Grand Prix International candidates. Simon Martin-Redman's traditional exhibit of Sarawak (97 points) and I were tied in first place with exactly the same number of jury member votes. The chairman of the jury, Kurt Kimmel, then had to decide who should win, and he chose Simon's exhibit, so I came in second place.

Congratulations to Simon Martin-Redman. The crowning of his >40 years of collecting Sarawak.

Allow me to mention that if you haven't got the book yet, the exclusive version is almost sold out, so get it while you can at the Heinrich Köhler website. These kind of books tend to get much more expensive ones they are sold out from the original source.

Due to an article about how the book can be used to describe difficult kinds of mail from many countries other than Denmark in the latest issue of the Collector's Club Philatelist, Heinrich Köhler has a current offer where North American customers can buy my books postage free (499 Euro for the exclusive and numbered 6-volume version with exhibits; 299 Euro for "normal" 5-volume version with all the information, but without the 6th volume with the exhibits).

The offer runs for the rest of the month of May.

Highlights why you may want the book: If someone collects anything that includes international mail to/from any country in the period 1875-1907, you cannot live without it (all UPU regulations for all types of mail completely covered including all rates in French and centimes - all you need is a currency converted to your country's currency at the time).

For bibliophiles: Don't you need to have the highest scored book ever in philately?

For exhibitors: In the sixth volume, there are FIP large gold medal exhibits in three different classes (TR, PH, ST; fully illustrated in 1:1 size, 384 exhibit pages), all with 96 points or more, along with 72 pages advice of how to optimize one's scores in philatelic exhibiting.

For dealers: Complete recording information for any Danish domestic and international postal rate down to the franking level for any rate recorded in <100 examples.

Order at the Heinrich-Köhler website or write me an email: henrik.mouritsen at uol.de

Posted May 23, 22 10:57 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

Lugano

Alexios,

Many thanks. Mark

Posted May 23, 22 10:52 by Alexios Papadopoulos (alexiosp)

Helvetia - Lugano

Mark, have a look at the fepanews.com site.

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