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Posted Aug 15, 22 5:33 by Tim O'Connor (drtimo)

Witches

Scott, the American Antiquarian Society in Worcester Mass has the Sewall Family papers. Judge Sewall played a role. Currently, I'm on Mt. Desert Island, but will search when I return to Mass. Tim

Posted Aug 15, 22 0:35 by Brian Buru (brianb)

Witch Trials

Scott, the University of Virginia has a number of transcripts online. They should also be able to provide copies of the originals, if requested.

Posted Aug 14, 22 20:14 by Scott Trepel (strepel)

Witch Trials

Is anyone aware of a letter with an address panel intact which contains a contemporary reference to the Colonial era witch trials?

I have made a cursory survey of online archives and found only documents, nothing sent by post.

Posted Aug 14, 22 20:05 by Scott Trepel (strepel)

Quarantine

When I recently sold that cover (from Mike Gutman’s collection), I thought there must be an interesting story behind it. I think I said something during the auction.

Rob Faux has done a fantastic job unearthing all of the fascinating history. Well done!

And it sold for $110 hammer plus premium. I thought that was a steal and remember saying something like "I should've bought it."

Posted Aug 14, 22 7:23 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

Postal History Sunday

This week's Postal History Sunday is now available for those who would like to read it.  Have a good day everyone!
Rob

note: this one's for Mr. Trepel.  Yes, sir, this really WAS an interesting cover.

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Posted Aug 12, 22 21:49 by Nick Lombardi (nick lombardi)

NOJEX 2022

NOJEX '22, the only WSP show in NY, NJ, CT, PA, and DE, is still accepting exhibits. The show will be held on the weekend of October 14 to 16 in the Hilton Meadowlands Hotel in East Rutherford, NJ. The deadline for exhibit applications is September 1st. The Prospectus and Application Form, as well as other show details, can be found on the show's website, www.nojex.org.

Posted Aug 12, 22 15:33 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

TA Printed matter (non) rates

This 1850 cover confirms Gordon's two cent and, I think, Winton's 1d doubled. The whole thing is rather irregular. 59:4080 Rumsey.

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Posted Aug 12, 22 14:44 by Michael Mahler (mikemahler)

"Double Triple" (cont.)

On reverse Gt. Britain Foreign Bill 3s upon endorsement and payment there.

Upon acceptance in U.S. in April 1872, taxed at 5c per $100, thus 65c, but look how they did it:

First Issue 25c, Second Issue 25c, Third Issue 15c!!

(Reverse view of N.Z. embossed stamp conveniently appears just over the 15c.)

Such 1st-2nd-3rd Issue combinations were possible only for a matter of months, only about twenty recorded.

That one occurs on one of the two recorded documents with stamps of two other countries is a statistical miracle.

Previously unexhibitable due to tape stains, now beautifully restored!

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Posted Aug 12, 22 14:39 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

British Mail Circulars 1849ish

Ron, I think you meant 2 cents and 1 d. So I am not sure you discussion fits with the 2d on the cover and the 1d single in the treaty. Winton's comment may be part of the answer. The US had rejected the British proposal to better integrate printed matter into the treaty.

Posted Aug 12, 22 14:30 by Michael Mahler (mikemahler)

Triple Combinations: the "Double Triple”!

Regarding Matt's post, here's an approximation from the fiscal side.

First the front: 1871 First of exchange, Auckland, New Zealand, by master of whaling bark "Louisa," drawn on whaling factors Swift & Allen, New Bedford, Mass., £250.

On front was struck N.Z. embossed 1s8d upon on execution.

Following post shows the reverse.

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Posted Aug 12, 22 11:44 by John Wilson (vladivohaken)

Philatelic humour

He clearly forgot to sign mine, hence my mystification.
JW

Posted Aug 12, 22 11:30 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Postal/philatelic humor

Here's mine, John. The sender was Laurent Le Grel, editor of the Civil Censorship Study Group Bulletin. There's a card inside that he signed.

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Posted Aug 12, 22 11:01 by John Wilson (vladivohaken)

Philatelic good humour

Good humour is alive and well. I just received a cover sent from St. Pierre with beautifully contrived "Censor" labels but no indication of who sent it to me. If you are reading this, thank you for your fellowship and very pertinent manufacture. I shall mount it on a display page and use it as light relief from some of the more turgid aspects of WW2 airmail.
John W.

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Posted Aug 12, 22 10:25 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

From the Pan American Airways archives

The postscript "NOTE" at the end of this 11 December 1941 "STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL BULLETIN #1 GENERAL INFORMATION RELEVANT TO NON-EASTERN DIVISION ACTIVITIES WHICH, BY SPECIAL ARRANGEMENT, WILL UTILIZE EASTERN DIVISION UTILITIES AND/OR ROUTES" is the earliest record I found that made reference to the "U" Route.

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Posted Aug 12, 22 9:13 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Pan American Airways, Route 5, the LATI-substitute South Atlantic “U” Route

This service existed only from 15 January to 4 May 1942. The Route 5 terminal points were Lisbon and New York. John Wilson wrote (page 77 in his book), “Covers from these flights seem difficult to find.” I agree; I had hoped that his Route 5 covers would come to market, but none were in the Siegel sale.

Service began with the 15 January 1942 trip 5001 flight from Natal, Brazil, via Bolama, Portuguese Guinea, to Lisbon, which arrived 16 January, and the trip 5002 flight that departed Lisbon 16 January (according to a Special Mission 9 document in the Pan American Airways archive at the University of Miami Richter Library) or 17 January (according to the British OMB report) via Bolama and Natal, which arrived January 20 at New York.

Wilson wrote (page 73), “The Route 5 flights carried on, to no obvious schedule, until flight 5013/14 leaving New York on 24 April 1942, Lisbon on 29 April and arriving back in New York on 4 May 1942.”

Obvious or not, documents in U.S. National Archives and Records Administration Record Group 28, Post Office Department, Bureau of the Second Assistant Postmaster General, Division of Air Postal Transport, Foreign Air Mail, Contract Case Files 1923-1947, FAM 18, 1/1941-10/1945, Box 6, show Pan Am’s New York to Lisbon and return service via Natal and Bolama in both directions was scheduled and compensated as a fortnightly service. But all Clipper schedules suffered from delays caused by inclement weather and mechanical breakdowns, and those flight schedules were further modified to conform to military and diplomatic transport requirements.

Wilson wrote (page 79) that there was “no record” of the trip 5002 arrival at New York, by which he must have meant no record in the Pan Am archives. After I realized that the combination of OMB report and a Brooklyn newspaper article provided good documentation of the 20 January arrival, I wanted badly to find a cover carried on that flight. My post last week showed and parsed the cover I found.

Identifying a trip 5002 cover is trickier than might appear reasonable. Dixie Clipper’s Route 4 trip 486 8-12 January flight, Atlantic Clipper’s Route 4 trip 484 9-11 January flight, Atlantic Clipper’s Route 4 trip 488 21-24 January flight, and Dixie Clipper’s Route 4 trip 490 25-29 January flight all carried mail via Bolama to New York. Only air mail letters that originated at or transited Lisbon or Bolama between 10 and 16 January, to and beyond South, Central, and North America and the Caribbean, can be reliably attributed to trip 5002.

The OMB report bracketed letters dispatched from London between 8 January and 15 January inclusive as conveyed on that flight. How then should I evaluate this 6 January cover from London to New York? Could it have cleared censorship in time to reach Lisbon on the 7 January KLM/BOAC flight? If so, it is a Route 4 cover. If not, it is a Route 5 inaugural flight cover.

Air mail dispatched from London to Lisbon originated in Great Britain, Ireland, and Sweden, but unless a cover has a Lisbon transit datestamp, I doubt whether letters that originated in Ireland or Sweden could be reliably attributed to the trip 5002 departure from Lisbon. Early January 1942 letters that originated from countries in continental Europe should offer better opportunities, but this 9 January cover from Olten, Switzerland, to Brooklyn illustrates the difficulty. Logically, the surface crossing from Geneva to Lisbon should have taken it there by 15 or 16 January, but the Bermuda censorship tape is evidence that it went on a later Route 4 flight. No cigar.

While Yankee Clipper flew the inbound trip 5002 Lisbon – Bolama – Natal – Belem – Port of Spain – San Juan – New York route, Dixie Clipper and American Clipper were evacuating U.S. Navy men’s wives and children from Bermuda to New York. All three flying boats landed at La Guardia Field on 20 January. Atlantic Clipper was outbound en route to Lisbon.

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Posted Aug 11, 22 23:09 by Lawrence Gregg (ecovers)

Printed Report

Winston, Thank you!

Posted Aug 11, 22 22:39 by Winston Williams (winstonw)

Printed Report

That's what it reads.

Posted Aug 11, 22 21:41 by Lawrence Gregg (ecovers)

Printed ???

Jumping in on the discussion, this cover says "printed [something]" but I cannot make out what the something is.  Can anybody help?  It might be a French word as the letter is written in French. 

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Posted Aug 11, 22 21:25 by Chip Gliedman (cgliedman)

American Stampless Cover Catalog Update

Today, we sent an email to the people who we had listed as volunteering to support the data efforts of the next version of the American Stampless Cover Catalog (PDF of the current one is available on the USPCS website).

As this board reaches a wider audience, let me share some of what we put in that email.
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Greetings,

After many, many fits and starts, we are ready to show you where we are with the project and enlist your help to bring it to fruition.

To summarize the progress to date:
- We've decided to expand the scope of the project to include all postal markings (not cancellations) up to May 31, 1861, whether on stampless covers or stamped covers. This will better reflect how people have used to catalog in the past.
- First step was to take all of the information from Volume 1 of the current ASCC and put it into a database that will be accessible and searchable online. The data from the print files needs to be imported, parsed into multiple fields, and cleaned for use. 100% of the existing data has been imported and we are in the process of cleaning it up.
- We are also currently correcting and adding to the existing data and adding images from the current catalog or scans of covers and markings to each listing when possible (we're working through this step with a few of the states right now).
- We have a beta version front-end (GUI) for this database that allows searching across any marking criteria (town, color, shape, etc.). We will show you this at the meeting. Colonial/statehood time criteria and territory searches will follow (we'll need to add the relevant statehood dates and geographies).
- We will build a print capability allowing for selected or complete listings to be printed and/or published in a physical volume (to follow).
- We will finalize a front-end and approval process so new listings or images can be entered by the public for inclusion into the database (to follow).

We would like to show you the front end and what the future looks like and hope to solicit your commitment to work with us in the future to correct, expand, and illustrate the listings.

If you are going to be in Sacramento for the GASS, we're holding a preview showing of the U.S. Postal Markings Catalog (working name) on Friday, August 26th at 10 AM, following the USPCS board meeting, in Room 6 of the Convention Center. We'd love it if you could join us there.

For those not attending the show, if you could contact me with your level of interest in continuing as a contributor, we'll get back in touch with you when we're ready for your help over the next 12 months or so.

Thanks for your past support and we look forward to your future participation.

Chip Gliedman
Editor
U.S. Postal Markings Catalog

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And to answer a few questions that have come up since our email:
- Yes, I have the files from Van. That includes corrections and additions to many of the states as well as 12,000 image files of various formats, content, and quality. They will need to be processed and added to the database.
- During the period up to about the Civil War, the distinction between stamped and stampless markings were very overlapping. Even after postage was manditory for domestic mail, it was not required for International mail. So, we have stampless covers into the 1860s.
- People primarily seem to interested in the markings on the covers, and not just for stampless covers. It makes sense to expand the focus to include markings on stamped covers to better reflect the use of the catalog today. If we may be weak on some of the "later" markings, this will rectify itself over time, as new submissions are made by the public.
- For those not in Sacramento, I'm hoping to arrange a Zoom demonstration in the not-to-distant future.

I can be contacted through the board, or directly by email. My email address is in the masthead of every USPCS Chronicle.

Thanks.
Chip

Note - had a brain melt - Corrected the date we're using for an end to May 31, 1861 (the date that the U.S. mail service ended in the Confederacy). Sorry

Posted Aug 11, 22 20:35 by Matthew Liebson (liebson)

cincinnati

Here's the back.  It is a pre-convention (1842) item.

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Posted Aug 11, 22 20:15 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

Cincinnati to Derbyshire

Matt,

What's on the back of your printed matter letter?

Posted Aug 11, 22 16:00 by Matthew Liebson (liebson)

transatlantic printed matter

The only one from my Ohio collection. But not a horrible one to have...

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Posted Aug 11, 22 13:50 by Roland Cipolla (roncipolla)

British Mail Circulars c.1848 ish

I believe the "circular" question, going to or from GB is actually quite simple; but obviously still confusing.

The 1848 Postal Treaty of 1848 had an "oversite" in it....newspapers were defined but for some odd reason circulars to/from GB were never mentioned. So from 1848 until about April 1853 the post offices handled circulars just the same as newspapers; 4 cents

So in 1848, by treaty, a newspaper and/or a circular was four cents; split evenly 2ct US and 2 pence to GB. Gordon's 1850 circular, posted on the board on 5 August, is NOT a penalty cover. Neither side could pre-pay for the opposite side's postage. The "2" on this cover is applied on arrival in GB simply indicating the normal 2 pence due for a circular. The 5ct stamp only paid the US 2ct portion of 4-cent treaty postage. It's out of the ordinary......but still, a very rare cover that I would have killed for 15 years ago! Also, the only example that I have seen.

I am going to try to post some examples of pre-1845 T/A printed matter. It is a struggle but I will try.

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Posted Aug 10, 22 20:24 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Printed Matter

Again I believe reading Dick Winter's book and looking at the examples is worthwhile.

The cover will be shown at the Great American Show in the court of honor (frame # 8)

Posted Aug 10, 22 16:29 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Printed Matter

Winston, I think your comment on the 2d being the penalty rate solves part of my problem. The treaty, as suggested by Gordon, does not encompass circulars. But if it was rated outside the treaty in the US, it would be three cents. The question becomes, do we have stampless covers, say 1849 to 1851, that show whether they were rated two cents (treaty) or three cents (any outgoing ship). I will look and see if I have something in period. Does Winter show any two centers?

Posted Aug 10, 22 15:09 by Winston Williams (winstonw)

Printed Matter - 1848 convention

Bernard,

Gordon’s reference to Dick Winter's Understanding Transatlantic Mail vol 1, pages 149 – 154 is very useful. A sender in the US could not prepay the British internal rate for newspapers or circulars. So I think the manuscript 2 in black ink is for the recipient paying the UK 1d rate doubled to 2d as unpaid.

As regards the 5c stamp, my reading of Winter is that the US rate at that time was 2c. If my reading is correct, then Gordon’s example has overpaid 3c.

Turning to scarcity, Winter states “Examples of printed matter between the United States and the United Kingdom before the 1848 convention are quite scarce. To date, I have recorded less than half a dozen items from this period”. If Winter includes newspapers in this record, then I’m lucky with my 1845 newspaper example and I saw a nicer one in a London 2022 exhibit.

Posted Aug 10, 22 14:15 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Early transatlantic printed matter

The earliest I had was an 1808 newspaper (or two). It had the tax stamp marking which, I think, also paid for the mailing. It also had the name and address of a stationer in Philadelphia in stencil. I believe the newspaper kept a set of stencils at least its out of town subscribers, so that it could rapidly, reliably, and clearly address the papers. It may or may not have come in a band that may have had a rate marking. I don't recall who I sold to -- it may not have gone into the printed matter I sold Richard F. which included several TA covers. Some of this material, including the demi awesome Hawaiian wrapper, went to Ron.

I wouldn't mind getting one of them back

My Winter is in storage, but Gordon's cover is bizarre. One could suppose that there may have been a semi official recognition of circulars on the basis of non daily newspapers -- thereby the circular got out of the country for two cents (equalling the British rate) or two cents doubled. (Instead of the three cent domestic rate!). But there was no British corresponding 2d rate, only 1d jumping to 6d. Thus, not only it does not fall under the treaty, but it also apparently defies US law.

Winston, it could be more than 100x. I do not think it is 1000X, but 200 or 300 is quite plausible. Maybe more.

Posted Aug 10, 22 10:10 by Vince King (entechpres)

Dinners at GASS

Ron,

APS Awards Banquet tickets can still be purchased online.

Here is the link to order banquet tickets:

https://classic.stamps.org/SS-Function-Tickets

Posted Aug 9, 22 14:05 by Roland Cipolla (roncipolla)

Classic's Dinner In Sacramento for GASS

Would anyone have an extra ticket for the Classics Society dinner at GASS?

I believe it is on Friday?????

My sincere thanks to Charles Epting for coming up with a reservation for the Sheraton!!!!!! and Dan Knowles for having an extra for the APS banquet.

Posted Aug 9, 22 9:35 by Farley Katz (navalon)

Does anyone recognize this device?

This image was recently posted on Twitter by the Museum of Printing. It's some device that was previously in the "P O Dept Museum" based on the stamp. Does anyone recognize what it is? It appears to print letters and/or numbers on something. If you moved all the characters to the right side, you could print A, then B, then C, etc through Z and on to the numbers. So this might serve for recording a series of documents.

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Posted Aug 8, 22 20:56 by Terence Hines (thines)

Cancelling machine.

Thank you Steven.

Posted Aug 8, 22 12:09 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

Canceling Machines

The information in my last post was from Wikipedia.

Just checked Beecher & Wawrukiewicz, who cover this in greater detail.

Posted Aug 8, 22 11:47 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

Canceling Machine

TH -

Pitney and Bowes each had their own company until they merged in 1920. The Pitney-Bowes Model M was introduced that year.

The one in the museum is a Model K. I suspect that it was developed by one of those companies before the merger, then they continued to manufacture it under the new company name.

Incidentally, if you do a google search for Bittney-Bowes Model K, you'll find one for sale on ebay.

Posted Aug 8, 22 11:02 by Terence Hines (thines)

Cancelling machine

Can anyone give me information about the cancelling machine this plaque was attached to - such as the date it was in service. This was on a machine at the RFD Museum in Morning Sun, Iowa. A little known museum well worth a visit.

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Posted Aug 7, 22 22:13 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

GASS Outlook

This morning I had to do some research on behalf of an East Coast trade colleague. Much to my surprise, with the show only 15 days away he can still buy a roundtrip nonstop airline ticket for under $500. And according to the GASS website, the Hyatt still has rooms.

In other words, it's not too late to decide to make the run.

Although the GASS website has a link to information on Sacramento restaurants, that link provides a rarified picture of the huge variety of restaurant food available there. Sacramento and vicinity is the nation's 26th most populous metropolitan area. Real people live and work there and just like a significant place is supposed to be, there are clusters of restaurants all over the place, with GASS at the center of it all.

Those who've been to the prevous APS shows in Sacramento know that there are many restaurants within walking distance of the Convention Center. Of course, when the show ends at 6 PM most days, outside temperatures are still liable to be in the upper 90s. If being outside in that isn't practical, we have Uber and Lyft to take you to the restaurant of your choice. Very cost-effective, especially if you're traveling with one or two friends.

Renting a car in Sacramento appears to be very expensive but again, Uber or Lyft should obviate any need to rent.

A few months back, it looked like GASS was overflowing with unknowns. Year-round forest fire season, flight delays and cancellations (they were very bad this weekend), and covid flare-ups. Don't expect to see too many kids at GASS; because it's taking place two weeks later than usual, most kids will be back in school, essentially ruling out the traditional 7-10 day family trip to California where you start in LA and end up in SF, this time by way of Sacramento.

Although Sacramento is much easier to drive to and in than SF or LA, It remains to be seen what collector attendance will be like. To me, this year's Westpex and Pipex seemed like very regional shows, with the majority of collectors spending only one day there, spending all their money, the heading home. Regardless of attendance figures, I expect there'll be an unusually high amount of trade sales.

My current estimate is that 64 different companies will be set up at GASS, 56 not counting the Dollar booths. Only 43 companies have websites. There will be 7 auction companies, plus the show auction. Those of us who like to buy off the rack should be pretty busy, with 51 dealers catering to our needs. This includes 10 cover dealers. 38 GASS dealers were at Westpex. 34 dealers are from the Far West, only 6 from the NYC area. 1.5 dealers are from UK (that's an inside joke).

Regardless of how it all turns out, if you ask two people about it afterward, I suspect you'll get two different responses, as if the individuals were at different shows. For that reason alone, amglad I'm going.

Posted Aug 7, 22 2:07 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

Postal History Sunday

Postal History Sunday is available for those who would like to read this week's installment.
Have a good day everyone!
Rob

Posted Aug 6, 22 19:14 by Cary Johnson (fastmail)

Test question

The Brooks correspondence is literally thousands of covers with their original letters. The company manufactured all varieties of truss supports for men with hernias that were hard working farmers and other laborers that could not afford or were afraid of the necessary surgery. Their appliances were very successful in many cases to allow healing and those thankful folks wrote letters of compliment to the company. These letters/covers were handstamped: TEST for Testimonial. I see I am redundant. Truss me, I missed that.

Posted Aug 6, 22 18:25 by Scott Steward (steward1815)

Can Someone Explain TEST

Richard,

C.E. Brooks was mail order seller of trusses for hernias. The "TEST" marking was an internal office marking for letters received by the company which contained testimonials about the effectiveness of the company's products.

Posted Aug 6, 22 15:56 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Printed Matter - 1848 convention

This topic is discussed in detail in Dick Winter's Understanding Transatlantic Mail vol 1, pages 149 - 154. On page 150, "The convention made no mention of printed circulars, although they were very much in use at the time." Figure 3-196 shows an example from 1854 with the 2d charge applied in the UK as on the cover shown earlier with the 1847 stamp.

Posted Aug 6, 22 14:44 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Postmark ID

Thank you, Florian. A splendid body of background information.

Posted Aug 6, 22 14:24 by Richard Matta (rkmatta)

Can someone explain this?

Was this some postal system test? (There appears to be a PD stamp missing on the left.)

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Posted Aug 6, 22 13:02 by Florian Eichhorn (minatobay)

Postmark ID?

Posted Aug 6, 22 11:52 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Postmark ID?

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CÖLN (Cologne aka Köln)
B.P.A. 10 (Bahnpostamt 10)

Such a B.P.A. was not a TPO within a train wagon, but  a resident p.o. at a mail handling rwy station and a special knot mail exchange p.o.

1944 overview here:
https://epoche2.modellbahnfrokler.de/dd/e2d_4702.html

BPA 10 was in Köln-Deutz (Cologne is at the left bank of river Rhine, C-Deutz at the right bank - and yes, the Romans established it as fortress bridgehead to cover the river bridge access).
P. O. built 1910/14 adjunct to the already existing p.o. Köln-Deutz.
It was the  the main german foreign parcel mail exchange p.o.  Before WWII, it was the third largest parcel mail transit p.o. in Europe after London, Paris and Berlin, handling apprx 200,000 parcels daily.

BPA 10 also handled most of of the inbound foreign letter mail coming via Belgium, Netherlands, UK and France.

In existence 1914/95, when german posts ended mail transport by rail finally.

(WWI-censors)
In WWI, Köln-Deutz censorship dept. handled all WWI foreign inbound mails from the West (save those mails already censored at Emmerich, the border rwy station to neutral Netherlands). After WWI, it did currency control with those currency control labels.

(historical bldg)
The historical mail handling hall (three tier, 8 tracks)  is under monument protection since 1988 and survived. Used for various business, mostly as exhibition hall.

Pics here
http://rheinische-industriekultur.de/objekte/koeln/Postpostamt%20Deutz/postpacketamt.html
For the text, use translate.google

Posted Aug 6, 22 11:52 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Postmark ID?

This is a transit on a cover from the US to Germany. Can someone explain it to me? Thank you.

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Posted Aug 6, 22 11:30 by Roland Cipolla (roncipolla)

1835 Newspaper Wrapper

Concerning the 1835 newspaper wrapper;

1. Winston W: The piece was "forwarded" 2 times but it appears to be three. David H is correct that Rowe is far from complete. There is an addendum to the book as an update - do you happen to have it? "Matthews $ Son" carried it from Liverpool to New York. That is one.

On Gordon's wonderful cover, Winston's comment about the "2" associated with NYC is incorrect. That "2" was applied on arrival in Liverpool indicating British postage due of 2cts on an incoming transatlantic newspaper.

Posted Aug 6, 22 8:59 by Tony Gade (holstein*2007)

Revenue - Danish West Indies

Document with Scott R9/revenue - from Danish West Indies This edition was published in 1907 - Document from 7.9.1916. It is the first time I see a document with a 50 Francs and even a single. Others who know documents with a 50 Francs ?

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Posted Aug 6, 22 8:30 by David Handelman (davidh)

1835?

The bottom two lines refer to the forwarding agents, Matheson and Co; the preceding two (struck out much more vigourously) read "Care of [someone] New York" (I think that what is struck through can be read, but with a lot of effort).

So it was addressed to Upper Canada, care of someone in New York. The latter struck out ["deleted" is the term used in UK, but to me deleted means removed, which is not the case here] the "Care of ..." and sent it off to Niagara Falls (UC). Perhaps the 1 1/2 ct refers to printed matter to Canada from the US (if it was sent via the post office)? I thought that the pm rate to Canada was 1 ct, but this might have been later on.

And why 1835? Does the New York postmark give a range of possible dates?

And to add to Winston's remark about Rowe's forwarding agent book: I find it so incomplete that it rarely lists the agents I find on covers. So I would have been really surprised if Matheson & Co had been in the book.

Posted Aug 6, 22 1:48 by Winston Williams (winstonw)

Early Transatlantic Printed Matter

Roland,

You ask “(3) why was this newspaper "forwarded' twice; or was it?” I tentatively suggest it was only forwarded once, as only one forwarder marking, but interesting that the Liverpool forwarder is not listed in Rowe (neither in 1984 nor 1996 editions).

Gordon,

Very nice. Your write up mentions that the “Manuscript ‘2’ applied in Liverpool represents 2 pence due for British circular rate.” Could an alternative explanation be that it is 2 cents due to the British, equivalent to the one penny rate under Article XVII of the 1848 Postal Convention?

Posted Aug 5, 22 22:34 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Early transatlantic circular

US to UK

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Posted Aug 5, 22 19:39 by Roland Cipolla (roncipolla)

1835 Transatlantic Newspaper - Three Questions for Readers

Yes, transatlantic PM before 1850 is scarce.....pre- 1845 is quite rare.

I happened to have an early example at hand and will share it. I believe it came from England on Caledonia arriving NYC April 1835. I do not believe this came on a Cunard ship at a later date. (1) What tells us it is 1835?

(2) Can someone explain the rate? Wasn't the TA newspaper rate 2 cents, not "1 1/2ct"?

Finally, (3) why was this newspaper "forwarded' twice; or was it?

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Posted Aug 5, 22 12:49 by Winston Williams (winstonw)

Printed Matter Rarity

Bernard,

The earliest printed matter I have going to the US from the UK through the mails is a newspaper of 1845.

I suggest the ones that have survived are well over 100 times less common than letters that have survived.

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