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Posted Jul 27, 21 18:46 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Mailer's Permit Postmarks

Appendix 1 to the second edition of the Beecher-Wawrukiewicz book is my article titled "Mailer's Permit Postmarks," which the POD required on precanceled postage used to pay first-class rates beginning in 1924.

The Multipost cancel on Greg's bulk mail cover is an example of a mailer's postmark on a precanceled stamp, but undated and not required because it was struck on a third-class mailpiece.

Posted Jul 27, 21 17:46 by Leonard Piszkiewicz (lenp99)

Precancel Use ?

The 435 1/2 came about in the mid-1920s with the changes to the 1924 PL&R involving bulk mail. So this W-F is a late use, but legit. There also was a regulation for use of precancels with private cancellations of the precancelled stamp. Rochester, N.Y. rings a bell -- there was a company, I believe in Rochester -- maybe something like Mailomat? -- that marketed a machine for applying coils and cancelling with a private permit cancel in one operation in the 1930s. I'm sure someone out there know off the top of his/her head who that was.

Posted Jul 27, 21 17:29 by Leonard Piszkiewicz (lenp99)

Western Publication CO Stamps

Return address labels are seen occasionally during this time. The label on the cover shown happens also to be advertising for selling such labels. Here's another from Chicago at that time.

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Posted Jul 27, 21 17:01 by Scott Steward (steward1815)

Western Publication CO Stamps

All,

Please find attached an image of a cover I recently found in a dealer’s box. It has what appears to be a partial Chicago CDS tying an 1869 2 cent to the cover. It is paying the unsealed circular rate. What I found unusual about this is the addition of an advertising stamp on the left for the Western Publication Company offering to print 5,000 stamps for $4.50. I am curious if anyone else has seen similar advertising stamps from the time period.

Thanks, Scott

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Posted Jul 27, 21 16:45 by Sören Andersson (sorena)

2c coil cover

This cover is addressed to Sweden and the German 2c rate could not be used to Sweden so if this is a letter (not printed matter) it is shortpaid and the NY exchange office should have marked it T30centimes and 24öre postage due should have been collected in Sweden. You can see a such cover described at projekt.sspd.se/usdue/u4.htm

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Posted Jul 27, 21 15:50 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Coil covers

If there was a direct ship to Germany, the letter was properly paid. If the letter needed to cross another country en route from the United States to Germany, UPU postage was required.

Added: If such a ship sailed, it might have been in violation of the Neutrality Act.

The endorsement "Sec. 435½ P.L.&R." was required on every piece of third-class bulk-rate mail sent by a permit holder to qualify for the rate. Although rated by the pound (i.e., by bulk weight), the minimum charge per piece was 1¢, payable either by precanceled postage or in cash for items franked with a permit imprint.

Posted Jul 27, 21 15:03 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Precancel Use ?

This cover has a Rochester N.Y. precancel under the machine cancel. What is the 435 1/2 Postal Law & Regulation? The back flap is unsealed. Third class???

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Posted Jul 27, 21 15:00 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

German Treaty Rate or Short Paid

I believe this cover is postmarked past the date for the German Treaty rate of 2c, if so, then did they just miss assessing postage due since it is short paid by 3c?

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Posted Jul 26, 21 15:35 by Bill Duffney (billduffney)

New Haven SHIP

There is a 1828 ms '95' rate from Nassau to Philadelphia: 93-3/4 (5x 1825 Rate), plus 2¢ Ship fee; New Haven entry, Red CDS and Yawl; to Samuel Grant, Merchant, Philadelphia.

Cover ID# 6089

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Posted Jul 26, 21 15:20 by Terence Hines (thines)

RNV4 document.

Many thanks to Leonard and John. As many have said before, the collective knowledge here is amazing! Now, any chance that someone can read the "description" of the goods withdrawn?

Posted Jul 26, 21 15:15 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

Calabria from Liverpool

It was common to abbreviate Liverpool as either LPool or L'Pool

Posted Jul 26, 21 15:08 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

New Haven Ship

Yes, there are some nice uses from the Caribbean -- I have one from DWI. The debate, such as it is, concerns New York -- New Haven routings. Are these all steamboat, or are some of them sailing vessels? As an aside, note that "Packet" letters about this time involve carriage on sailing vessels from NY to Newport and, mainly, to Providence. This shows the earliest Providence Packet cover (July, 1823) and, oh, mebbe the second earliest? Providence Steamboat cover (with the error rate -- there are at least two from Providence showing the error plus one from Baltimore and mebbe a couple from Natchez).

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Posted Jul 26, 21 15:05 by Leonard Piszkiewicz (lenp99)

RNV4 document

Calabria -- from The Ships List website: AUSTRALASIAN / CALABRIA 1857 2,902 gross tons, length 331.7ft x beam 42.1ft, clipper bows, two funnels, three masts (rigged for sail), iron hull, single screw, speed 12 knots. Accommodation for 200-1st and 60-2nd class passengers. Built by J & G. Thomson, Glasgow, she was launched on 10th Jun.1857 as the AUSTRALASIAN for the European & Australian Line.....

Purchased by Cunard Line, she started her first voyage for them on 25th Feb.1860 when she left Liverpool for New York. On 11th Apr.1860 she started a single round voyage between Liverpool and Portland under charter to the Allan Line, and on 22nd Dec.1860 commenced her first Liverpool - New York voyage as a mail steamer. Her last Liverpool - Queenstown (Cobh) - New York voyage started on 8th May 1869 and she was then rebuilt with new engines, one funnel, fitted with accommodation for 80-1st and 900-3rd class passengers and renamed CALABRIA. She resumed Liverpool - Queenstown - New York sailings on 8th Jan.1870 and started her last voyage on this service on 29th Jan.1876.

Posted Jul 26, 21 15:02 by David Handelman (davidh)

RNV4

Calabria (the first part)--this looks fairly clear; the port looks like Lpool (Liverpool), but I am less certain of this

Posted Jul 26, 21 14:57 by Bill Duffney (billduffney)

New Haven SHIP 1817

Below seems to be the earliest Yawl from my file - 1817 - New York to New Haven. I think that it is from a Frajola sale.

Also see: Cover ID# 21864 dated 1821

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Posted Jul 26, 21 14:50 by Terence Hines (thines)

RNV4 document.

OK - it's a revenue document but I hope someone here will be able to help figure out the words just after the "in the" and then "Master" at the top right.

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Posted Jul 26, 21 14:49 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

New Haven SHIP

Bernard,

Here is another example, which arrived at New Haven via sailing ship from St. Kitts.

http://www.rumseyauctions.com/lotphotos/88/212376.jpg

John

Posted Jul 26, 21 14:32 by Bill Duffney (billduffney)

New Haven SHIP

Larry,

The New Haven “SHIP in Hull” or “Yawl” is known in red and black. I have found only one in BLUE which was in the White collection at RAS (attached). I have kept a file on these which I wouldn’t mind forwarding to you, if you’d like.

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Posted Jul 26, 21 14:22 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Zoom

drat, I think I have an eye doctor appointment. Will it be available after the fact?

Posted Jul 26, 21 14:01 by Rick Kunz (segesvar)

This ZOOM presentation Tuesday could be of interest

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Steve Kochersperger(say: Coke-ERS-burger) has been the USPS Senior Research Analyst in Postal History since 2012. Prior to that he was the writer/editor at the former Cap Metro Area, and before that he was the Postmaster of Julian, Pennsylvania, for 25 years. He is the author of many articles about postal history, and in 2014 he published his first book, The Postmaster’s Desk.

 

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Posted Jul 26, 21 14:00 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

New Haven Ship

Random thoughts.  This raises an interesting issue.  Some (VK and apparently RF) suggest that these covers are steamboat letters.  Some clearly are.   But there is no reason they have to be.  Perhaps the identification to a sloop, if clear, puts paid to this nefarious theory.  I think maybe one reason for it is the outstanding marking, which went into service in 1816 (I had an 1858, probably LKU).  So one question is, are there a more or less unrecognized population before the SB era with SBs to NL and New Haven (and elsewhere). The ASCC lists an 1818 for New London.  I think the New Havens on SB covers appear about 1820.  Note that this cover is unusual in that it falls under the 1823 law, so its handling is of further interest.  That law only lasted two years.   Here is an 1820 SB via New Haven from NY, and 1821 from New London to NY.  Note that these are non contract routings. Finally, the earliest handstamp steamboat marked cover (the Baird written up in the Chronicle was second at the time and now third earliest. Calvet had published his earlier New York example decades ago.), falling under the new law.  But with the very rare 1823 error rate.  Incidentally, that Ship in ship marking also appears on very rare fair covers as a private, non postal Cinderella.

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Posted Jul 26, 21 11:45 by Lawrence Haber (ldhaber)

New Haven Ship

Thanks Richard. Probably the sloop Augusta out of NY with general merchandise and $100,000 for the Eagle Bank!

Evidently cheaper to send via a boat than overland via the USPOD. Interesting.

Posted Jul 26, 21 10:42 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

New Haven Ship

Larry - Sounds like a letter by ship from NYC across the Long Island sound that entered the mails at New Haven at the port of entry ship rate of 6 cents.

PS - with the date of arrival, it may be possible to determine the name of the steamer or ship that carried the letter.

Posted Jul 26, 21 9:52 by Lawrence Haber (ldhaber)

Ship letter between NY and New Haven 1823?

This folded letter was sent from New York to New Haven, November 1823. The note inside clearly indicates it was between New York & New Haven.

The New Haven ship hand stamp is applied and the covers appears to have been charged 6¢.

In 1823, we would be under the Act of 1816 and the distance between NY & NH is just less than 80 miles and I'd expect it would be charged 10¢.

I am used to letters arriving into the New Haven port and being charged a 2¢ ship fee.

Could someone please help me understand the rating here?

Why a ship marking between NY & NH?

thanks,

Larry

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Posted Jul 26, 21 9:41 by George Tyson (gtyson)

Postal History Sunday

I finally took a look at "Postal History Sunday." I don't collect Belgium or anything foreign but I still found the presentation this week to be engaging and well-written and all around rather wonderful. If I wore a hat, it would certainly be off to Rob Faux. I will be following PHS regularly now.

Posted Jul 25, 21 23:57 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Postmaster free mail

Richard Matta and Bernard Biales,

Thank you for your posts and explanations of a few days ago showing that my P.M. free mail cover (1851) delivered by Blood's Despatch to-the-mails was legitimate.

Here is another cover (1842) in my collection, addressed to the postmaster of Simbury, Ct., carried by (Greig's) City Despatch Post, New York, marked "f" (for free). See Cover ID 29137 for details and to see letter contents.

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Posted Jul 25, 21 23:14 by Richard Taschenberg (coverzz)

Victoria VI to London

Thanks Richard

Posted Jul 25, 21 22:18 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Victoria Cover to England

Richard - cover appears to be genuine in all regards. The US stamps were available at the Victoria post office and at WF office and applied at origin. The Colonial postage paid Vancouver handstamp was applied when WFC paid the Colonial postage before use (even though the cover never entered the BC& VI mail system). Carried by WFC to New York City and the stamp were cancelled when it entered the mails there.

Posted Jul 25, 21 19:57 by Richard Taschenberg (coverzz)

Victoria VI to London

Questions on the attached cover. Carried from Victoria, VI to New York by Wells Fargo, then on to London by British Packet. 10 cent entire with added 10c adhesives, appears to overpay the 24c rate (19c credit noted). Stamps and indicium look to have the same 7 bar grid at approximately the same angle. Adhesives appear to be tied by a speck of ink in 1 perf hole. Stamps are over part of the Victoria marking. When and where were the adhesives applied? Do they appear to be original? Thanks.

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Posted Jul 25, 21 6:36 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

Postal History Sunday

This week's Postal History Sunday is live for those who might enjoy reading.

As a reminder, I am always happy to receive corrections, additional information, and feedback if you are inclined. 

I hope those who are able to attend Westpex have an enjoyable time and safe travels.

Best,
Rob

Posted Jul 24, 21 10:07 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

WESTPEX 2021

Continuing a 48-year tradition, the WESTPEX Stamp Show is opening at 10 am Friday through Sunday afternoon. As it has been for years, the show will be held at the Burlingame Marriott just South of the San Francisco Airport. There will be 60 dealers, societies, and other organizations.

Schuyler Rumsey Auctions will be holding auctions starting Thursday at 10 am and continuing Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. The viewing starts Wednesday at 10 am.

This is a WSP show with a large showing of great exhibits. The jury is lead by Dr. Banchik. The program is also very strong including a talk by Elliot Gruber Director of the Smithsonian National Postal Museum.

The entire board of WESTPEX is looking forward to seeing you at the show. Come see old friends and make new ones.

-gordon

Posted Jul 23, 21 13:49 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Bank Tag

So, with the bag weighing 58 ounces, or 3.625 pounds, that would account for $1.16 in postage and 10c for the registry fee. Would it be reasonable that the contents of the bag were coins.

Posted Jul 23, 21 7:26 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Return receipt

Greg,

You misread what Tony wrote, maybe not as clearly as one might wish. Return receipts were not compulsory.

Payment for a return receipt was required if a sender requested one even if the sender qualified for free registry. His point was, return receipts, if requested, were not free, as they previously had been.

But if the sender did not request a return receipt, none was attached and there was no fee.

Posted Jul 22, 21 19:53 by David Handelman (davidh)

1.26

Søren is right, I didn't check the rates, but did them off the top of my head.

Posted Jul 22, 21 19:47 by Sören Andersson (sorena)

$1.26 bank tag

If it is a letter mail item mailed in November 1919, I think the rate should be 58 rates at 2c + registry fee 10c= $1.26

Posted Jul 22, 21 18:37 by David Handelman (davidh)

$1.26 reg bank tag

This being too early for extra indemnity (1923, and even then only up to $100), and too early for the RRR fee (1925), and no evidence for treatment as insured (ca 1920), breaks down simply as 37 x 3 ¢ (37 ounces at 3¢ per for first class) plus 15¢ registration.

Posted Jul 22, 21 16:54 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Registered Bank Tag

Another rate question, the bank tag has $1.26 in postage. Unusual for a bank tag to have coil stamps on it, but wondered how the rate might break down. The reduced image on the top shows the front. The back does have a receiving date stamp of November 8, 1919

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Posted Jul 22, 21 16:37 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Overnight Airmail NY to Chicago

According to the book, overnight airmail was in effect from July 1, 1925 to January 26, 1926. This cover is dated after that window and falls into the Per 1/2 oz any route of 10c. I did read the return receipt section and saw it applied to all registered mail after April 15, 1925. So, in that case does it have to actually be marked and indicated on the letter?

Posted Jul 22, 21 16:20 by Mark Butterline (mbutterli)

Boston 2026 Dealer Bourse Sign-Up Begins at GASS

Dealers interested in participating in Boston 2026 World Expo have their first opportunity to apply for dealer booths during GASS.

Boston 2026 Dealer Bourse Chair Mark Reasoner will be available to answer questions, distribute and accept applications, and take deposits at his show booth (#517) on the last day of GASS, Sunday, August 15. He will also be presenting details that morning at the Dealer Breakfast. He will be joined by other Boston 2026 personnel.

Application forms may also be picked up at Boston 2026’s society booth #304 or downloaded from the new Boston 2026 web site that will become operational by show time.

Please note that booth selection will be in the order of receipt of completed application forms with deposit. Deposits are refundable until May 2024.

Posted Jul 22, 21 15:52 by Russ Ryle (hoosierboy)

re: Gregg's Cover

Agree that the imperf block of four is a philatelic addition. Was there ever an extra fee for night air mail service? When did they start flying air mail at night between NYC and Chicago? The three cent fee for a return receipt was in effect for any registered item regardless of postage class.

Posted Jul 22, 21 15:10 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

No return receipt

There is no return receipt endorsement nor evidence that a return receipt was attached.

Posted Jul 22, 21 14:52 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Airmail Cover

Possible rate calculation: Registry service 20c for $50-100, 20c for 1 ounce, @ 10c per half ounce, Plus Return Receipt fee of 3c. Return Receipt service table from TW book, page 238 b.3: Act February 28, 1925 (shortened) "Return receipt fees apply to all, even official mail, even of Postal Service, even if registered free"

Meaning registered airmail as well???

Posted Jul 22, 21 14:28 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

1938 Small packet

15¢ registry plus 21¢ (3¢ per 2 ounces) for 14 ounces. The weight limit for samples of merchandise was 18 ounces.

Posted Jul 22, 21 14:17 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Greg's cover

The imperforate block is philatelic; the stamps were used commercially only singly, with Schermack Type III perforations, probably no later than 1924. 1927 was a late date for Washington-Franklin 10¢ coils to be used.

Posted Jul 22, 21 13:59 by Sören Andersson (sorena)

Registered item 1938

I have had the enclosed wrapper for some years but I am not sure about the rate. I think it is a 28 oz Sample or a 14 oz Small packet but can it be detrmined which. As far as I understand a Small packet shall have the indication "Small Packet", while samples did not need an indication. But the wrapper seems to small for 28oz. It looks as it has been a wrapper for a small box 160x75x25mm. The wax seal is from the mail custom house in Malmö, Sweden. There are perfins in the stamp as shown in the figure. Which company do they come from?
Sören A

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Posted Jul 22, 21 12:46 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

GS's Cover

Since there was no longer a special charge for night airmail service and this cover's correct rate was 25 cents, is the 'Night Air Mail' straightline an instructional marking and the 28 cents worth of stamps a convenience franking or philatelic franking?

Posted Jul 22, 21 12:25 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Not an exact rate

From February 1, 1927, there was no night air mail charge from New York to Chicago.

Registry was 15¢ (or 20¢ with indemnity $50 to $100). Air mail was 10¢ per half ounce.

Posted Jul 22, 21 11:33 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Airmail Specialists: Rate???

Curious about the possible rate this letter was sent as.

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Posted Jul 22, 21 9:42 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

CT rate

Jawful Britsih money: Sterling. (I suppose copper pennies come in somehow).  The laws passed by parlianment on postal rates were in sterling.  Early QA covers marked in sterling..
The earliest deviation I am aware of in terms of accounting markings on cover is the Massachusetts currency accounting rates (non payment rates) that appeared in1723 (from memory -- or a little later).  Mass accounting spread through New England and then decoupled to variious accounting currencies around 1752.  Essex countie used the terminal Mass accounting conversion til 1775 on incoming letters.
Something happened in other Colonies around 1728.  In about 1733, this was replaced, outside of New England, by pennyweights and grains, presumably because sterling did not exist in the colonies by law, even though payment was mandated thulsly.   A decoupliing, perhaps, involving more than just currency.
When the Southern district was separated out, if not earlier,  it used sterling.  Also, the Northern district in it last months in1775.
The covers to Lebanon:  2dwt 16g is in troy silver, not lawful culrrency in the lnarrow sens.  The 11d is in Connecticut currency and the 16d is in Connecticut currency.   I believe this was allowed, unlike the Mass tenors, by the Colonial Board as they were a hard currency.  Though the hard tenors did fluctuate a bit relative to coin.  I wouldn't call any of this British currency, as it is of local nature, but I suppose ne could debate the point.
Note that rating on cover of letters into New England in the tenor era varied in accounting marking over time.

Posted Jul 22, 21 7:58 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

EW-WW

A link to John Olenkiewicz's 17 page article is here.

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