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Posted Jan 14, 18 11:20 by Rick Mingee (ramingee)


No cool 24 cent stamp so no help to Rob or Rich, but you did mention the typical 10 cent rate and Crosby correspondence. Example here (1863).

But mine has a cogwheel!!!! Actually, cogwheels and Guatemala are kinda scarce as a combo. I have found two total, including this one. There are probably some others (maybe), but clearly the count is small.


Posted Jan 14, 18 8:49 by Russ Ryle (hoosierboy)

re: Cancelled and postmsrks on registered mail

Morning Ken and all,

Postmarks as correctly defined by Ken were moved to the back side of registered mail effective January 1, 1911. You start seeing them reappear back on the front side in the USPS era sometime after July 1, 1971. Can anyone point me to the PB that authorized this change? As creative as I get with my search parameters I have yet to locate this document?

Killers back in the day were defined as obliterators. In the pen and ink days postmasters at small post offices not issued postmarking devices were instructed to obliterate the stamp on a cover with three strokes of the pen using a good quality black ink. I have not seen the term "killer" used in the PBs.

Other yet to be solved questions are how and when did the terms "cancelled" and "killer" become acceptable substitutes used as they are today in philatelic circles?

Best regards,

Russ Ryle

Posted Jan 13, 18 21:19 by David Handelman (davidh)


[Note the single ell; I hadn't realized that this US spelling existed this early.] Page 49 of my US RRR exhibit (part I), (on Richard's Mercury site) shows a 1934 example, same spelling, albeit in a different typeface. As Ken says, it serves as a killer.

Posted Jan 13, 18 21:11 by David Handelman (davidh)

I cannot endorse using For one thing, it is expensive (these things should be freely available---and in my area, mathematics, there are already numerous monitored but universally available sites for preprints and announcements). For another, it sends me come-on e-mails regularly.

Posted Jan 13, 18 21:10 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

These are two separate points. Stamps on registered letters were to be canceled only on the front, and postmarked on the back across the seal.

The device that reads CANCELED was distributed to be used on spoiled postal stationery to remove it from accountability before selling it as waste paper. However, on your cover it appears to satisfy the regulation for a black cancellation that is not a postmark.

Posted Jan 13, 18 21:01 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)


"Cancelled" is not a postmark. A postmark gives date and/or place of posting information. Unless the definition changed at some point.

Posted Jan 13, 18 21:00 by Glenn Estus (gestus)

"cancelled" on registered letter (reverse)

the reverse


Posted Jan 13, 18 20:58 by Glenn Estus (gestus)

I have never seen a registered letter with the word "CANCELED" cancelling the stamps. This cover from NYS to Austria has examples on both the front and the reverse.

I know that there was not supposed to be a postmark on the front of a registered letter. Has anyone ever seen a similar example? The reverse scan will be in the next message.

(edited to change correct spelling of "canceled")


Posted Jan 13, 18 20:44 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

1861 New York

This 3¢ pink on white stamped envelope canceled 7 August 1861 with PF certificate was lot 1274 in the 9-10 September 1989 William A. Fox sale of the Dr. John Weimer collection of 1861 issue Nesbitt entires. To my knowledge it is the earliest documented use of any U.S. 1861 postal issue. If my memory serves, Tom Mazza once showed us a buff envelope canceled 10 August.


Posted Jan 13, 18 20:38 by Farley Katz (navalon)

Philatelic Research on line

I might have not been perfectly clear on this. Gary suggested philatelists post on articles they have already published elsewhere for additional exposure, not to use that site as a new wild-west "philatelic journal." Mine were published in Mexicana, the Journal of the Mexico-Elmhurst Philatelic Society and the Collectors Club Philatelist. Of course, you could certainly post drafts for comment.

Posted Jan 13, 18 19:45 by Douglas Chapman (foodrev)

Per review

Speaking as a more or less "in the process of learning" about postal history and philately (at least at this rarified level) I will add my nickel's worth from a field I have been familiar with for decades: ornithology bulletins. From The Wilson Bulletin to The Auk, The Condor and the Journal of the British Ornithological Society none that I am aware of publish non-peer-reviewed articles or studies.

But there are several non-reviewed, less prestigious journals that also contain interesting and important information.

The answer, friends, to Mr. Barwis and Mr. Biales is...You are both correct.

And again...not much help. You need to know your author editor, reviewer(s) and sometimes the president and Board of the institution publishing the papers.

Such fun.

Posted Jan 13, 18 19:37 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

New York label demonetization

I just poked through the papers. Some salient points- They originally expected stamps for Sept. 1, But the notice didn't appear until the 16th and the process was supposed to end on 22nd. But the exchange process was so hectic and there were obviously going to be unserved that the notice, seemingly uncorrected continued at least to the 27th and the stamps were accepted through the 29th.

I ran across some other notes of interest -- a request for bid by the Navy for stationery included stamped envelopes (why wouldn't they get then straight from the GPO?). The color of the three cent label was being rejiggered. It was supposed to match the shade of the three cent stamped envelope. Many more one cent then three cent stamps were exchange - various running accountings are given. The amount of stamps destroyed at Chicago was also given

Brer Mazza no doubt has insights as to what went on. I wonder what the early dates of use of the labels at NYC are? Notice that the newspaper announcements do not end the story, and reference needs be made to Herzog's fine 1980s CCP article (and my Jan. 1 theory).

Posted Jan 13, 18 19:24 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)


Which ones are refereed? I think refereeing in the scholarly sense, at least as I experienced it at scientific publications, is not generally done in the leading US specialist publications that I have experienced. And it is by no means a panacea. I think it is more valuable to look at the author and the editor. And a lot of the editors are doing a good service but not really filtering out the bad stuff. Others are on top of their topics. Farley's stuff is outside of my domaine to a great extent, but the analytical skills are impressive and outshine certain other sources. The stuff that sometimes gets through in what pretend to be scholarly purblications is quite sad. Krebs' students would not publish in Nature -- they refused to publish his paper on the Tricarboxylic Acid Cycle -- which won and was more important than your average Nobel. I once saw the supposed refrrees' comments -- the reactions were known and the reasoning was circular. Hmmm -- the equations in Einsteins first relativity paper were also already known.

Posted Jan 13, 18 18:54 by John Barwis (jbarwis)



I know about your research and respect it. Having said that, I have my doubts about the value of non-refereed publications. We need better ways of sorting through the b.s., rather than more outlets for unsubstantiated work.


Posted Jan 13, 18 18:38 by Farley Katz (navalon)

My Philatelic Research Now on line!

In the current issue of the Philatelic Literature Review, Gary Wayne Loew published an article suggesting that philatelists post their research articles to to obtain expanded readership. is a social networking website where academics (affiliated or independent) post published articles, book chapters, entire books and working drafts of their research. now has some 20 million articles.  You can follow others and communicate with them.  Although the site is for-profit (subscription $100 per year - but after I uploaded some articles, they offered me half off), you can post articles and do limited searches for free.  The postal history category has some 1645 followers.   Gary's complete article is here

I have followed Gary's suggestion and posted 14 of my philatelic articles and a few non stamp ones here    Although my articles are mostly about early Mexican stamps, some might be of interest to this group such as the "Rosette Eagles" which shows the origin and nature of those mystery stamps through a variety of evidence including paper fiber analysis. Here. Also, "The Banded Eagles" establishes that certain horizontal areas on certain early Mexican line engraved stamps where the image does not fully print are actually constant plate flaws caused by problems in laying down images using a transfer press. See here  I discussed both these on this group when researching them.

Posted Jan 13, 18 18:31 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Aug 26 order terminating cross border expresses

John, Yes, that is the posting of yours I referred to. I was just adding in the denouement and bragging about a cover I have that NY let through, perhaps because it had already been in the treaty mails from Europe before the order was announced.

Posted Jan 13, 18 16:24 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

Letter from PMG Blair re. Express Companies

Daily National Intelligencer, Wash. DC, 27 June 1861, p. 3


Posted Jan 13, 18 16:09 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

Express Companies


Scroll down and read the newspaper article I posted on 12 January at 17:23.

Posted Jan 13, 18 15:48 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Special Routes

Steve -- that is a wizard monograph, but I am not sure what question I was asking. (Which reminds me, I never did send you an image of that cross border July cover I never got around to showing you.)

Posted Jan 13, 18 15:29 by David Handelman (davidh)


from DH to DH: Is the Berkun/Siskun article what you are looking for?

about three-fifths of the way down, in Richard's Mercury site.

Posted Jan 13, 18 14:48 by Steve Walske (steve w)

Southern communications

Bernard, There is also a book on the subject: "Special Mail Routes of the American Civil War" - your answers are there...

Posted Jan 13, 18 14:34 by Dave Hamilton (davehamilton)

EKU database?

A couple years ago someone listed a database of EKU covers. I have a candidate and wanted to find what was already out there .. any ideas who had that database? Thanks Dave

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