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Posted Dec 11, 17 20:58 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

Purple Stamps

It's all Andrew's fault.

He keeps showing all of this neat stuff and I just had to do a little bit...

I don't think I've shared this one on the board.  1866 Registered to Bohemia (registry paid in cash) via Ostende and Aachen.  Destination points just north of Prague (Dauba).


Posted Dec 11, 17 20:12 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Purple Stamps

While Rob is showing off purple stamps to far away places, here's an example of an 1869 "mistake" where the sender apparently mistook a One Penny Inland Revenue stamp for the same sized Six Penny stamp when mailing a letter to the USA. The Inland Revenue stamps were not valid as postage until 1881 (and postage stamps not valid for revenue usage). Charged 12 cents (or 22 Cents in US Notes) by the USA.


Posted Dec 11, 17 18:44 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

Rupertsland, etc

You are a real gem.  And I do mean that.

But, are you sure you can handle my 'scorn?'  Do you 'ear what I'm saying?  Perhaps I'm just a kernal in the vegetable navy (bean) but I can tell you that all of the carrots, beets and turnips on the farm still root for me.

You may handle my scorn, but can you handle the puns?

Posted Dec 11, 17 16:57 by Chip Gliedman (cgliedman)

Rupert's Land


While I can't help you with the "P.B." question, if you send me those covers, I'll be happy to take Rob F's scorn and abuse for you. No need to thank me. That's just the kind of guy I am.


Posted Dec 11, 17 16:33 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

UK to Sweden partial answer (edited)

I probably should have answered this one for myself. 
The London marking on the first item should be enough of a hint that it did not go by direct packet to Sweden, which would have left Hull (or even Newcastle) rather than heading by train all the way to London.

Further edits: The first item left Newcastle on a Monday and I believe the Hull packets left on Saturdays.  So, fastest route was through London and hence Denmark.  If it were a private ship letter, I would expect additional markings to confirm and I don't see how the red 3 would apply to that situation anyway.

So, does anyone have any other details that may set these two items apart from a routing perspective?  edit: it is doubtful that there is much to add.

*** This bit of "on the fly" learning brought to you by your small-time farmer in Iowa who apparently can figure things out better when he takes time to frame out the question for others. ***


Posted Dec 11, 17 16:17 by Rob Faux (robfaux)



When I can't remember what the answers were to questions I have posted on the board, I do a filter on the board for everything I have posted.  That allows me to find my original post and then the posts around that one which usually have the answers I am looking for. 

I did a quick filter on your user name and I think the original question was towards the end of 2016's posts.


PS - in doing this I realized that YOU are the one who outbid me on the 24 cent from Rupertsland!  But, to show you that I am still a nice guy, I am still helping you.  (kidding, of course)

Posted Dec 11, 17 16:15 by Steven Chiknas (chiknas1)


Andrew: America and England, two countries separated by a common language. Growing up in New England (English with a York dialect i.e. Linda pronounced Linder) I thought I was ready for the Brits, but invited to lunch during America Week at Porton Down I discovered their concept of American hamburgers, hot dogs and French fries with ketchup to be "unique" to the UK.

Posted Dec 11, 17 16:06 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

UK to Sweden Part II

Here is the second UK to Sweden item. 

Sent Jan 21, 1868 from London.  Different shape to the PD marking.  Jan 26 backstamp and 3d marking for Danish service.  Add the time of year, the docketing on it and it seems clear this one went via the Denmark route.

But, is there a consistent way to tell if the other went via Denmark OR via direct packet?  Anyone know?



Posted Dec 11, 17 16:02 by Douglas Chapman (foodrev)

Covers with "P. B." in small circle Handstamp

A year ago I asked if anyone knew this mark.

I cannot remember the response--someone knew the name of the collector who applied this to the reverse of his covers.

I remember the collection was sold by Siegel. I thought it was Sale 131, but that seems to be wrong.

Can anyone help me again? I just purchased an Ex. DeVolpi Canada Fur Trade cover which arrived today and also has the "P. B." HS.

I'll promise to record the information more carefully this time.


Posted Dec 11, 17 15:57 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

UK to Sweden

I'll put this out there in case someone on the board knows. 

I have two items from UK to Sweden during the same 6d rate period.  There were a couple of routes.  One would have been direct mail packet to Sweden and another via Denmark.

I thought that this item might have been direct via packet to Sweden.  But, now I am not so sure.
Mailed from Newcastle-On-Tyne May 20, 1867.  Note the light red crayon 3 on the front.  There is also a red London back stamp dated May 21.  No other receiving or routing marks.  There is a docket that seems to indicate that an answer was written May 27 and sent May 28.


Posted Dec 11, 17 14:26 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Steve Chiknas Translation

"Gamine Steak on a Bap" = "Gammon Steak on a Bap" = Ham steak on a roll. I'm trilingual --- Scottish, English, and American spoken here.

Posted Dec 10, 17 21:37 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

346V 347V

Ken, From what I can find there are 3 or 4 of the 346V singles on cover with a few philatelic uses by Filstrup that are registered covers. There is also one cover on the APS site with four singles. For the 347V there are a few others. I found one single, which happens to be the one I sold to Alan Parsons, 2 covers with pairs, a single with a 1 cent sheet stamp, a strip of 3 overpaid, and the cover I posted with 3 singles.

Posted Dec 10, 17 19:44 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Imperf. Washington-Franklins

Gregory Shoults,

Thanks for posting your interesting commercial uses of 4c and 5c Washington imperfs.

Here is a philatelic use of the 1c Washington-Franklin imperfs, sent by stamp dealer C.E. Nickles, an early producer of FDCs. Evidently left-over scrap pieces of imperf. stamps, early "discount postage", as Ken L. mentioned. See cover ID 26595.

I had acquired this cover 40 years ago, mainly because I was intrigued at the time by the interesting slogan machine cancel. In those days I used to hinge my covers to album pages. If you look at the back of this cover (click on link) you will see the two hinge marks, and how whiter the paper is underneath the hinge marks. Evidently the paper has noticeably aged over 40 years, which is rather distressing. Some of my WW1 covers from that era are brown with age and are rather fragile.

Much of the paper from that time period, I am led to understand, was very acidic and of poor quality, I assume because of the war effort. Which makes me wonder how long such covers will last without crumbling apart like old newspapers and becoming lost to time.


Posted Dec 10, 17 17:29 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

W-F coils on cover

I believe Scott 346V (imperforate 4¢ vertical coil) on cover is scarcer than Scott 356. At the time I sold mine only three were known, all from the same Pittsburgh company. How many 347V covers are known? Rex Bishop showed me one many years ago.

Posted Dec 10, 17 15:04 by David Benson (dbenson)

Lesson Learned

Reminded me of

" A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush ",

David B.

Posted Dec 10, 17 14:32 by Matthew Kewriga (mkewriga)

Lesson Learned Twice

Greg, you learned one of the first rules of an auctioneer, never leave a collection hanging. Tough though, as a collector it sometimes works out better being able to buy just the things you want. Depends on pricing of course, but at least you will have an opportunity.

Posted Dec 10, 17 11:33 by Leonard Hartmann (hartmann)

Lessen Learned Twice, Flying

A year or two back flying from Louisville via Chicago via Frankfort to Italy,
the Louisville agent set the luggage to be checked out at Frankfort, fortunately
in the club Leuftonsa so indicated and helped me re-check, exhausting 
but it worked, now i always check the luggage routing tags.

Flying from Italy, France, etc. we find on the return trip we leave a day earlier for a decent departure time, to make connetions in Frankfort or Munich with only one luggage as cary on, the rest checked through, spend a night in the city and fly out the next morning, works for us

Last year in Italy they refused to check the luggage through as it exceeded the 24 hour between flights thus having to lug and re-check in Munich.  This month in France the same problem but two explanations, one being the 24 hours was based on both take off times and not the ground time

Such is life, Leonard

Posted Dec 10, 17 11:23 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Imperforate Issues

Here are a few examples that appear to be commercial business mail. The 4 cent from the imperforate sheet and the 5 cent being a vertical imperforate coil.


Posted Dec 10, 17 11:02 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Lesson Learned Twice

I recently was put in touch with a collector who had collected for 65 plus years. He had every WF coil on cover as well as the stamps in mint and used pairs and line pairs. No easy task, and yes he had one of the most difficult coils on cover out of all. It is not the Orangeburg coil either, but the 10 cent Scott 356. There are 5 known uses and they do not appear very often in auction or come to market. So, on the lesson, I talked with the collector a number of times on the phone and arranged to visit to view and purchase what he had. According to my check list there would have been at least 10 to 15 items I could add to my exhibit, the most notable the 10 cent coil on cover. I was all set to fly out to the west coast for this meeting, which was suppose to happen this Friday. This past Friday I received an email from a dealer whom I have known for a number of years. I was told he had bought the entire collection. I have been given first rights to what he bought from the collector, but will be at the mercy of what he wants to charge. The upsetting thing about the entire experience is finding out from the dealer after I had bought airfare and hotel rooms, which are nonrefundable, to the tune of $550. I had confirmed the dates with the collector so he knew I was going to visit and view his collection. Due to my work schedule I could not have visited the collector any earlier, but in the future will not let an opportunity slip away. Those who travel by plane beware of restricted fares because the airline will not make any changes refunds for cancellations.

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