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Posted Mar 13, 18 7:34 by Charles Garcia (hongkongstamps)

Ningpo 1844


I am sure its 1844, see the two sticks from the vertical strokes of the 4 just above the fold of the letter, the crease on the fold affects the bottom of second 4 more than the first but it is there

Also according to the " Baptist Missionary Magazine" , D. J. Macgowan M.D. did not arrive in China until 1843 and more specifically Ningpo until 1844.


Posted Mar 13, 18 7:31 by Richard Matta (rkmatta)

American Consulate

date looks more like 1844 or 49

first "acting" US consulate was 1844 -

Posted Mar 13, 18 3:12 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Ningpo 1840

Charles - The date on your letter, if really 1840 as it appears to be, should not have a US consulate office marking on it. There were no US consulates in China at that date ....

Maybe a better scan will tell a different story.

Posted Mar 13, 18 3:09 by Mike Ludeman (mml1942)

Two letter American post offices

Texas had three post office with only two letter names

Ka - Dallas county (25 Oct 1883 to 30 June 1906)

Re - Navarro county (25 Jan 1881 to 31 Oct 1906)

Uz - Montague county (25 Feb 1885 to 28 Feb 1907)

I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere - probably the Postal Bulletin, when the Post Office Dept stopped allowing the two letter names around the turn of the century, when they were "cleaning up" and standardizing names, by eliminating "ville" and changing "borough" to boro" and the like.

Apparently they allowed those in existence to continue operating.

Posted Mar 13, 18 1:52 by John Koshel (jkoshel)

Two letter American POs

There are some, including

Ai, Ohio in Fulton county, 1846-1903

Ai, Alabama in Cleburne county, 1883-1903

Ai, Georgia in Gilmer county, 1920-1932

Ai, North Carolina in Person county, 1887-1907

Ed, Kentucky in Casey county, 1898-1941

Ep, Kentucky in Owen county, 1881-1903

Oz, Kentucky in McCreary county, 1907-1914

Ti, Oklahoma in Pittsburg county, 1896-1953

There may be some more, especially abbreviations. It appears none are still in service.

Posted Mar 12, 18 23:37 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Emigration and return

What I find interesting is the short distance between the original location of Joseph Lllanes & fils in Ur, France, before they emigrated in 1794, and after their return to France, settling in Osséja, as this map shows. Only 7.2 km (4.5 miles) between the two towns on modern roads. Both towns are very close to the border with Spain. Note the French town with the amusing name of Err (in Catalan: Er).

This whole exercise got me immersed in studying Andorra and Pyrénées-Orientales, a department of southern France adjacent to the northern Spanish frontier and the Mediterranean Sea. Ur and Osséja are in that French department.

The town of Ur, France, is not the only French community with a two-letter name; here is a cover to Bu, France: see cover ID 19518. I am not aware of any American post office spelled with only two letters. Please correct me if I am wrong.


Posted Mar 12, 18 23:33 by Charles Garcia (hongkongstamps)

1844 "American Consulate China" chop



Posted Mar 12, 18 23:31 by Lawrence Gregg (ecovers)

Small Queen

Looks like it was removed and replaced, but slightly askew from the exact original spot on the cover. Doesn't look trimmed to me..

Posted Mar 12, 18 23:30 by Charles Garcia (hongkongstamps)

1844 "American Consulate China" chop



Posted Mar 12, 18 23:30 by Charles Garcia (hongkongstamps)

1844 "American Consulate China" chop



Posted Mar 12, 18 23:29 by Charles Garcia (hongkongstamps)

1844 "American Consulate China" chop

more photos.


Posted Mar 12, 18 23:28 by Charles Garcia (hongkongstamps)

1844 "American Consulate China" chop

Dear all,

I found this last week, someone kindly pointed out that it may be too good to be true; that the consulate marking is atypical in that it should read "United States consulate" and not "American".

Could it be the earliest type of US Consular chop in China?

I believe this to be a part entire written June 29th 1844 by Daniel J. Macgawan M.D. of Ningpo China to a Rev Hallock of New York. The letter sealed (as per wax seal ) and somehow handled by the US consulate as per the "American Consulate China" chop, would that have been Shanghai? or at Ningpo? or Macao? The treaty of Wanghia was not signed until 3rd of July (4 days later ) , could it be it was written and dated at Ningpo and that the Consulate took charge of the letter after the 3rd of July?

As for date I am going by the endorsement written in another hand other than the senders on reverse; where it states it was written by Macgawan on the "29th June 44" and answered 20th Aug ...

Any opinions or help would be much appreciated, more importantly has anyone seen this chop before?

Does the ink and design of the chop look suspect?




Please forgive the quality of the photos to come, they are what the seller sent me, when the cover arrives I will scan at high res if required.


Posted Mar 12, 18 23:22 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Osséja = Auseja

John Koshel,

Thank you for identifying the destination town in France for my 1838 cover from Sant Julià de Lòria, Andorra. This map shows that the distance is 69 km (43 miles) on modern roads between the two towns. Note that the route goes through Spain.


Posted Mar 12, 18 23:15 by Ray Porter (rporter314)

small queen

I have no expertise in these matters but this is what I observe.

Working up the left side of the stamp I see a break in the two bars on the boundary between stamp and envelope. Continuing up I see the same effect in the "A" of Canada. Now a bit further I see a full and continuous "F" at the boundary of stamp and envelope.

To me that is peculiar.

Posted Mar 12, 18 23:09 by David Benson (dbenson)

Canada 3c. Small Queen imperf. on cover

Reverse of cover.

David B.


Posted Mar 12, 18 23:08 by David Benson (dbenson)

Canada 3c. Small Queen imperf. on cover

Close up of stamp.

David B.


Posted Mar 12, 18 23:05 by David Benson (dbenson)

Canada 3c. Small Queen imperf. on cover

I need a few extra pairs of eyes on this cover.

It looks OK but possibly the stamp has been removed, trimmed and replaced.

The F of Feb. ties it to the cover.

other scans to follow.

David B,


Posted Mar 12, 18 13:10 by John Koshel (jkoshel)

Auseja > Osséja

I found a book online (The Autobiography of St. Anthony Mary Claret) that talks about Auseja, which is a town in Southern France. The book describes a journey in Europe. There is a discussion about travel in NW Spain and entering France with the first town in France being Auseja. I could not find this town, but by piecing together the town names, I am guessing Osséja might be the town. The next town in the journey is Auleta, which I expect is Olette.

Posted Mar 12, 18 12:16 by Charles Epting (charlesepting)

Rest in Peace Erivan Haub

It is with great sadness that I share the news (here) of Mr. Erivan Haub's passing at the age of 85. Mr. Haub exhibited highlights from his collection in the Court of Honor at NY-2016, including the Alexandria Blue Boy and the Lockport and Boscawen Provisionals. He will truly be missed by many in the hobby.

Posted Mar 12, 18 8:43 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)


Smallest (3½ inches by 2½ inches) air mail "cover" in my collection: First coast-to-coast air mail overnight service, three zones, 8¢ per zone.


Posted Mar 12, 18 8:30 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Misinformation about FIP qualifying

Only this week I learned that Arthur Woo has circulated a memorandum critical of United States national competitions, posted on the Siegel website here, that mistakenly claims an exhibitor must win a grand award in national competition to qualify an exhibit for FIP competition:

"In order to compete in an FIP International show, an exhibit must first qualify by winning a national competition accredited by the FIP national member. In the U.S., an exhibitor must win a  Grand Award at one of the APS World Series of Philately (WSP) shows. These include Westpex, Napex, Nojex and others. Once an exhibit wins the top award in a WSP show, it cannot be shown again in a qualifying national exhibition during the same calendar year. The top award winners from all of the WSP shows go on to compete for the national APS Champion of Champions at the annual show held in August."

That is not true. A vermeil medal in national competition qualifies an exhibit for FIP competition. I hope no one has been discouraged from entering World Series of Philately exhibitions based on that incorrect statement.

Posted Mar 12, 18 6:04 by John Wilson (vladivohaken)

Not the smallest but....

Interesting nonetheless. 95 x 55mm

Lovely little cover from Paris to Lome, Togo in 1935. Cover carries the 50 centime surface rate but is overstruck “Lettre Transportee Exceptionellement Par Avion a Titre de Propagande” and carried by airmail to Lome. Despatched Paris 10th January 1935, presumably via the Dakar service. A neat way to publicise the airmail service.

John W.


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