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Posted Jul 28, 17 8:19 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Inflation Again

Another related piece from the Inflation collection


Posted Jul 27, 17 19:39 by Michael Schreiber (michaelschreiber)

text on page of German inflation stamps

Dokumente einer irrsinnigen Zeit!

Veranlaßt durch Friedensvertrag und Ruhrbesetzung!

Jede Marke v. [von] 5 Pfg. bis 5 Milliarden bedeutet ein Postkartenporto

Gedenket dieser Zeit von Kind zu Kindeskind!

Documents of an insane time!

Caused by a peace treaty and the occupation of the Ruhr!

Each stamp from 5 pfennig to 5 billion signifies a postcard rate

A time to be remembered by child and grandchild!

Posted Jul 27, 17 14:18 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Germany Inflation

A interesting German document showing inflation of postal rate for a  post card (part of a large Germany collection just acquired).


Posted Jul 27, 17 8:42 by Jim Baird (bairdo)


Sorry, always forget site wants .jpg files


Posted Jul 27, 17 8:41 by Jim Baird (bairdo)

War of 1812 - do you know where

1. The attached cover is? Would like a publication quality scan. Privacy guaranteed.

2. Records containing correspondence between local and federal gov't officials and front line military officers can be found (institutional holdings, War Dept Records.  I know that early in the 1900s, latter could be found at  "(WD, AGO, Old Recs. Div.)” - but where they are now is in question.  Request to NARA unanswered thus far.

3. Any and all war rate covers for publication quality scans. Privacy guaranteed.

Cover image follows.

Thanks to all.


Posted Jul 27, 17 7:02 by Jim Baird (bairdo)

Dr. Puliafito

Sounds to me as though he needs help.

Lovely exhibit.

Posted Jul 26, 17 21:14 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Corner Mounts

I have used corner mounts from Atlantic Protective Pouches. They are the same material he uses for page protectors. The only thing you may need to do is get some 3M double sided tape. Easy to apply.

Posted Jul 26, 17 14:04 by Chip Gliedman (cgliedman)


I use the self-adhesive corners from Subway Stamp:

Posted Jul 26, 17 13:07 by Bob Hohertz (rdhinmn)

Corner Mounts

I've used Lineco self adhesives in the 31.75 mm size. Supposed to be archival polypropylene for artwork and documents. So far I haven't run into any corner problems, but I'm mounting mid-20th Century covers on exhibit pages.

Posted Jul 26, 17 12:42 by Rainer Fuchs (rainer)

Posted Jul 26, 17 12:41 by Rainer Fuchs (rainer)

Gordon Eubanks / Herma Corner mounts

If they are available in Germany i can purchase them and mail them to US, or, if you have a friend travelling to Germany I could mail them to him and he can hand carry them. Just let me know the correct type number.

Posted Jul 26, 17 11:37 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)


I use Taylormade. You can have any size you want, I think. I use the double sided tape they offer. Are you a licker or a sticker? I suppose the viscoelastic polymer might outgas -- I have not looked into this. I think the threat small -- old covers with scotch tape on them might indicate the range of dangerous diffusion, once you get past the fibre wicking region, if any.

Posted Jul 26, 17 11:21 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Corner mounts

I have used Leonard Hartmann's mounts and they work well. They require you to moisten the mount when applying to page. They are good quality and large so there is little risk to the cover.

Currently I am using Herma Transparol mounts. They come in two sizes - 20 mm and 37 mm. They are self-adhesive and acid-free. I find the self-adhesive is a big win when mounting covers. The smaller of the two can nick a cover so you have to be very careful careful with them but they are not intrusive. The larger Herma mounts are easy to use and very safe.

The challenge with Herma is they are hard to find especially the larger mounts. I buy them on eBay. Would love to find a supplier in the US.

Posted Jul 26, 17 8:43 by Richard Matta (rkmatta)

SD cover

I kinda figured, it came from a dealer with questionable ethics

Posted Jul 26, 17 8:36 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Large corner mounts

I believe Leonard Hartmann still has them.

Posted Jul 26, 17 8:36 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

not SD or SH

The stamp did not originate and the endorsement was added later, probably by whoever added the stamp.

Posted Jul 26, 17 8:33 by Matthew Liebson (liebson)

RM - that definitely was added later.

Posted Jul 26, 17 8:08 by Richard Matta (rkmatta)

strange SD cover

Odd that this one made it to NYC without postage due - but I'm more curious about the "Special Handling" stamps (one more on the reverse - nothing else) - has anyone seen this marking before? Kind of looks like a later addition.


Posted Jul 26, 17 7:42 by Matthew Liebson (liebson)

Just completed a partial family vacation to the east coast - the first tme making that drive in a number of years, so I had the chance to make a stop in Bellefonte on the way back.  Ken Martin graciously provided a 1-hour tour of the American Philatelic Center.  It's quite a place - highly recommended for a future visit.

Incidentally, Bernard, one of the things newly on display is a large model of the Sirius.

Posted Jul 26, 17 7:37 by Rainer Fuchs (rainer)

Archival Quality Corner Mounts for covers

I recall having seen advertisements in "The American Philatelist" for archival quality corner mounts made from Mylar, i believe from a company called "Crystal Care" or so. But i cannot find it anymore.

What corner mounts do you recommend?

Currently i use Lindner Mounts with a length of 19 mm and the tip cut off for easier cover mounting, that type is available from a number of suppliers but would love to have larger size corner mounts for large/heavier covers.

Any recommendations?

Posted Jul 26, 17 6:09 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Dr. Carmen A. Puliafito

Coverage of the scandal, previously limited to the Los Angeles area, has now reached the New York Times. He is not the first top-drawer philatelist to attract negative publicity, but might be setting a record for inches of ink.

USC had promoted him as a philatelist. His collection is here.

We are truly a broad community.

More is here.

Posted Jul 25, 17 21:59 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

... and for good luck

October 25, 1855 8d rate via Ostende and Aachen plus 6d registration paid by a 1/- embossed and a 2d Blue perf to Mecklenburg-Schwerin from Folkestone.


Posted Jul 25, 17 21:54 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Prussia - after the Treaty and Rate Reduction

Rate from UK via Belgium to Prussia and other spots dropped to 8d on August 1, 1852 creating a bunch of really pretty 2d blue frankings, and a few 1d red frankings also... This December 20, 1852 example from Ambleside pays the 8d rate to Berlin via Ostende and Aachen.


Posted Jul 25, 17 21:51 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Prussia - Underpaid Before the Rate Dropped on August 1 1852

The rate between Britain and Prussia and elsewhere dropped to 8d on August 1, 1852 (not sure if that influenced US rates via the UK and Belgium). This cover is an underpaid example from April 1852 to Berlin...


Posted Jul 25, 17 21:45 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Hamburg - May 12 1848

... and from May 12, 1848, yet another rate, this one an 8d rate to Hamburg from London paid with four 1841 2d Blues from Plate 3. (ex-Spink Lot 2256)


Posted Jul 25, 17 21:43 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Duchy of Oldenburg (Not Closed) - JA 25 1848

... and from the next day, JA 25 1848 a 6d franking of 1841 2d Blues (Plate 3) to the Duchy of Oldenburg from London.


Posted Jul 25, 17 21:40 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Prussia - But Not Closed (JA 24 1848)

I can't offer any PCM covers, but here is a nice stamped example to Prussia from Bristol from 1848 with a single 1841 1d red, with full 'deckled sheet edge' as a thank you for the great covers being posted.


Posted Jul 25, 17 21:16 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

Knowing it When One Sees It


If by some mistake I'm still alive when you turn 80, I shall get you one of those important 1930 Goya stamps.

[Note to boarders: This guy had an auction earlier today and here he is, posting. Don't you just love working with pros]

Posted Jul 25, 17 21:09 by Scott Trepel (strepel)


To paraphrase a justice's decision regarding pornography: "I know it when I see it."

Posted Jul 25, 17 20:23 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)



Las line of my post should have read:

Hope that's NOT true...

Posted Jul 25, 17 20:21 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

Great Covers

Did I miss something, or is there tacit agreement that referring to a cover as "great" does not necessarily require it to be rare, or of non-postal or postal historical significance?

I think BB's presentation is an excellent idea, and wish that every show had such a programme, as this might well be a better entree to potential new collectors than say, a competitive exhibit of Postal Rates of Upper Swobotka. I have no problem with the latter, other than the implicit signal that 'this' constitutes philately.

I wish stamp shows would make PA announcements of meetings and presentations that are about to begin in this or that meeting room. Don't believe they do this anymore, but if it happened just before BB's presentation, it might result in much higher attendance. Presumably, dealers have complained that they lose business due to announcements promoting such competition. Hope that's true but if it is, it's a pathetic commentary on the current state and future of of our hobby.

Posted Jul 25, 17 17:01 by Bill Weismann (billw2)

Prussian Closed Mail

I have 9  PCM covers, most are in the census I think.  I can scan and post pics of them if anyone would like to see them.

I have 2 w 30c '61s going to Frankfurt or near Frankfurt and I am positive that at least one predates Frankfurt's capture by the Prussians in 1866 was it?

I have one to Switzerland but that's kind of outside the realm of our discussion...

I also have 3 to Saxony, 1 to Berlin, 1 to Marburg and 1 to Bavaria.  All of those are 28c rate covers with a single 24c and 2 Black Jacks.  aka The second most common use of a 24c '61.

As far as Bremen-Hamburg covers from that era...

I have 4 24c covers; 2 paying the 24c rate to Italy in use from 2/67-1/68.. one is via Bremen but one is via Hamburg and is the onlyexample of that rate that went via Hamburg that I am aware of. 

The other 2 are single 24c stamps overpaying the 15c rate..  both to Saxony with one going to Nassau and the other to Freiberg. 

Posted Jul 25, 17 15:30 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Extra points for rarity

Here is the unique July 1, 1845, folded letter from Bellefonte.


Posted Jul 25, 17 15:18 by George Tyson (gtyson)

Postal history

It might just be me, but I've always thought that the term "postal history" has two different and equally important meanings, depending on which word in the term you emphasize. The first meaning refers to how a cover illustrates the development of a postal system. The second refers to how a cover captures or illuminates an aspect of national or world history. The latter meaning is apt to resonate most with those of us who also collect other types of historical ephemera. In my mind at least, that Dec. 7 1941 cover from Honolulu is most definitely an important piece of postal history.

Posted Jul 25, 17 15:17 by Richard Hilty (rhilty)

British packets in the Mediterranean

Can anyone recommend a book that covers the British Packets in the Mediterranean during the 1860s? Also is there anything out there that would be comparable to the Salles books for the British Packets?.

Also, I am actively buying depreciated currency covers. Single covers or collections.

Thanks in advance.

Posted Jul 25, 17 14:29 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

APS on-the-road course at Richmond next week


You still have time to enroll in my course, Postal History of World War II in the Pacific Ocean from the American Perspective.

This will include a discussion of the importance of December 7, 1941, Pearl Harbor mail. 

Collectors who think postal history consists of just rates, routes, postal markings, and means of transport will be disappointed, but everyone else should have a rewarding experience.

Posted Jul 25, 17 14:06 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

What is Greatness.

Ken, I agree. But I think I will be an intellectual coward and give rarity extra points. Actually, what it is looking like is an emphasis, not total, on earliest uses showing significant change. I think I have to show a July 1, 1845 as the start of cheap postage, though these are not super rare. It is helped somewhat by having more unusual and revealing examples -- e.g. the only known, indeed unique, indeed very unique, well, maybe not very unique, example of an envelope -- showing that envelopes did not any longer incur an extra charge. By the way, the crossover point between folded letters and enveloped letters on domestic letter mail was roughly the beginning of 1853.

The trouble with a Dec.7, 1941 cover, whilst a terrific collectible, it's postal history significance is hard to specify. Of course the war had tremendous effects on the handling of mail and development, especially, of air mail routes. Indeed, Ken's postings recently led me to purchase several air mails to Europe, including a cover mailed the day the Germans declared war on the US (and us) -- the letter was bogarted and eventually returned in 1942. Irresistable stuff. Even if it isn't stampless.

Posted Jul 25, 17 14:01 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Providence to Baltimore 1841

David D'Alessandris,

Thank you for your response and information. Now the docketing is starting to make some sense.

And it also explains why some businesses held onto their mail for many years in case a dispute occurred.

Posted Jul 25, 17 13:05 by David D'Alessandris (davidd)

Providence to Baltimore 1841

David Snow -
Yes, it does appear that the letter was entered into evidence in some form of legal proceeding.  Just from the letter it is impossible to tell how it was relevant to a dispute years later.  Off the top of my head, the most likely reasons would be as evidence of a debt (the amount to be paid at the bottom of the letter) or maybe evidence of a trade practice or course of dealings (in past shipments the parties did something one way that changed in a more recent shipment that is now in dispute). 

Posted Jul 25, 17 12:49 by Lawrence Gregg (ecovers)

Prussian Closed Mail

Gordon, Chip, and Rob,

Thanks for posting those examples. Good discussion... I learned a lot. Still a long way to go.

Posted Jul 25, 17 12:01 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Providence to Baltimore 1841

Finally, here is the original docketing by the recipient, with the name of the schooner Triton.


Posted Jul 25, 17 12:00 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Providence to Baltimore 1841

Here is the second page of the letter.


Posted Jul 25, 17 11:59 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Providence to Baltimore

I am trying to figure out the significance, if any, of the odd docketing shown here on this 1841 folded letter from Providence to Baltimore. Here is link to letter: Cover ID 25937.

Docketing appears to read "Defendents (crossed out and replaced by "Compts") Exhibit,  W.S. B. No. 8. Filed with Commr. June 18th 1856(?) Fk. Pinkney, Commr." I suppose "Commr." stands for Commisioner, and "Complts" stands for "Complainant" (or Plantiff).

Additional docketing in a different hand is "W. S. B. No 8"

Since the docketing seems to be about a court case many years after a large shipment of corn was made on a schooner, I can't figure out the connection between the two. Any thoughts on this oddity?

Next posts will have the second page of the letter, and the original docketing by the recipient. Thank you in advance.


Posted Jul 25, 17 7:17 by John Barwis (jbarwis)


Thanks for posting the Prussian Closed Mail covers, guys.

Gordon's cover from Santa Fe was endorsed per Bremen, but went via Belgium apparently in closed mail (unless there are British markings on the back).

The cover was sent in June 1852, but Winter says the U.S. didn't put the treaty with Prussia into effect until 30 October 1852. Could it be an 1853 letter?

Posted Jul 25, 17 6:44 by Nick Kirke (nick kirke)



That was an excellent and well reasoned post. I think the danger is in using words like `rare`, `unique` or `greatest` on items in one`s collection or exhibit. It is terribly tempting but it is safer to let a viewer think of such adjectives. `Unusual` is probably a safer term, even if a bit conservative.

If one says `sole reported use`, then that is perfectly justified - that is until the next use is found and the description can be changed. Auctioneers and dealers are perfectly justified in using such terms such as greatest - they are selling a product!

This area is acute to me just now. I am trying to assemble examples of cancels on outbound foreign mail from New York City 1850-69, an area virtually ignored previously. Virtually every new cancel I discover can be termed `only one known` because it is the only one I have seen. But I suspect that is how most data bases begin.

As an aside, as I suspect with many collectors, my greatest items, the ones I truly love to look at, are rarely the most expensive or most scarce.

Posted Jul 25, 17 6:21 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Uniquity and rarity are not importance

I understand that Greg disagrees, but rarity is only a contributing factor to importance if some greater significance attaches to a particular stamp or cover.

Why is a particular coil stamp paying a pedestrian single letter rate from an utterly ordinary origin to a common destination important? The stamp itself is not scarce, so the only challenge is to find the solo use, which few collectors pursue. If more were interested, and if substantial money were on offer, that might enhance the belief but it might also stimulate a search that could produce many other examples.

Show me a Scott 539 (2¢ Washington Type II coil waste) on cover and I'll agree it's important.

Solo use of a common stamp between insignificant locations is a game that Prexie collectors pursue with a better argument because some Presidential series stamps were issued for no plausible postal purpose, so the challenge is to find a combination of rate(s) and fee(s) that exactly equal a single franking of such a denomination. Not one of them approaches the importance of a single common 3¢ Prexie on a cover canceled 7 December 1941 at Honolulu.

Posted Jul 24, 17 23:38 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)


Well, if the other one is pre 1863, maybe I can use it.

Posted Jul 24, 17 23:35 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)

Greatest Covers of All Time

Here is my example: A 447 solo use, one of two examples used in time period and the only solo use known.


Posted Jul 24, 17 23:18 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

The Greatest Covers of All Time (US division)

I am doing a shortish talk this fall on a selection of the greatest covers of all time. Mostly not flashy, but substantial. Mainly things like the unique Sirius/Great Western race covers that opened the transatlantic steamboat era. Ocean line first sailing. Beginnings. Franklin free frank as PMG of the United Colonies. Thinking of ending with postal unification in 1863 -- but I think I will stretch it to include the first full train voyage across the country in 1869, an apt suggestion by Steve Walske. Also a few wacky things like the letter in a bottle. I don't want to be too portentous (or pretentious). And a couple of very fancy cancels -- like the Matthies chess players. I would be happy to get any suggestions from this august crew.

Posted Jul 24, 17 22:44 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Prussian Closed Mail

Some covers sent at the Prussian Closed Mail rate. The top cover from New Mexico Territory traveled by Waldo, Hall & Co. route 4888 Santa Fe to Independence. Top two covers are double rate.


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