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Posted May 3, 16 20:47 by Leonard Hartmann (hartmann)

Glenn Estus


on any publication or exhibit one should not aspire to everything
as aomething new will always come up

on your work reather than not adding an idication you could 
consider a "not seen" but in an;y case the publication should 
not be just what you own or have personally seen

such a study will never be complete and if so of less interest as
the challenge it the desire


Posted May 3, 16 20:21 by David Snow (dwsnow)

First World War P.O.W. postal card

Thanks to the continued efforts of the APS translation service, I have had translated the message written by a German soldier held captive in Russia, to his friend back in Berlin.

Here is link to cover ID 24069

I updated my description; excerpt: "whether we will be free this year (1917) is a big question." 

The February Revolution in Russia had just broken out; Alexander Kerensky was one of its most prominent leaders. On the very same day (February 23, 1917 Old Style (Julian Calendar) that this postal card was written events unfolded in Petrograd.  A combination of very severe cold weather and acute food shortages caused people to start to break shop windows to get bread and other necessities. In the streets, red banners appeared and the crowds chanted "Down with the German woman! (Empress Alexandra) Down with Protopopov! Down with the war! Down with the Tsar! Police started to shoot at the populace from rooftops, which incited riots. The troops in the capital were poorly motivated and their officers had no reason to be loyal to the regime. They were angry and full of revolutionary fervor and sided with the populace.

Special thanks to German translator Mark Anderson of the APS Translation Service.

Photo: Alexander Kerensky standing in open touring car, May 1917


Posted May 3, 16 18:18 by Glenn Estus (gestus)

Re: Adivice Needed

Bill L.:

Interesting and useful comments. I have been following Proulx's classification, but now have to re-think the whole area of classification.

Currently, I have about 650 different entries in my database, which includes my personal collection plus any other examples that I have seen over the past 25 years. I have migrated the database through many different operating systems and programs. Currently using Bento, which has been discontinued by FileMaker.

According to my records there are still about 200 post offices that I don't have in my personal collection. Looks like I won't be finishing this project in the next few weeks, as I had originally planned.

Posted May 3, 16 16:12 by Bill Longley (longley)


Remove drop shadows. They are distracting.
Your hierarchy is odd. The plain type is A, but the plain B type is B1. Either start the basic one as "A,B,C, etc" or "A1, B1, C1, etc".
Don't use letter "I" or "O" as they are confused with "1" and "0".
What is the criteria difference between "A"s which seem to be circles and Bs (also circles).Why not make all circles As?
You give a rectangle a D (maybe should be D1), but then a ictaganoal its own listing "E". But in A listings, fancy circles are still A sub-numbers.
I find it confusing.
Why not:
Circles A1, A2, A3.
Octagons as B1, B2, B3
Ovals as C1, C2, C3
Squares as D1, D2, D3
Straightlines as E1, E2, E3 (keeping the letter sequence A,B,C and D - the single letter consistent (instead of abberation of SL).

You can still have the sub groups (double, triple, fancy), but putting all circles as A1, A2, A3 etc and it is easier and neater.


Posted May 3, 16 10:43 by David Handelman (davidh)

Re advice needed

I find the dot leaders distracting, and that they slow down reading. I suggest not using right alignment of the year, but instead putting a quad (or two) of space between the town name and the year. (After all, what the reader will read first is the town name, and then will search for the year; so there is no reason to right align the latter).

Posted May 3, 16 10:23 by Glenn Estus (gestus)

Re: Advice Needed

Leonard Hartmann:

The letter in the second column is referenced on a beginning explanation.

Here's my current working copy.


Posted May 3, 16 10:10 by Matthew Liebson (liebson)

Glenn -

I don't think you need to specifically identify new information on a line by line basis, but it may be worth discussing in the front matter how many new listings there are, or what percentage, or noting some major new additions, etc.

Posted May 3, 16 8:11 by Leonard Hartmann (hartmann)

Glenn Estus

I see no value in indicating which markings were not in the previous 
work as it is evident there are quite a few

The page you show has equal left and right margins, the inner margin should
be wider for binding, the printer can adjust this

I do not understand the letters, numbers, etc. in a column next to the town
names but assume it is explained in the monograph


Posted May 3, 16 7:50 by Glenn Estus (gestus)

Advice Needed

I am putting the finishing touches on a new monograph about the Postmaster and County Cancels of New York State.
In 1990, the Empire State Postal History Society published a monograph by David Proulx on the same subject and the ESPHS will be publishing my monograph.
I have taken the basic information from the Proulx work and expanded it over the past 25 years.
Since a number of the posters/readers on this discussion board have had experience with this type of material and publications, I would like to know it you think it is pertinent to make a notation of listings that are new to the document?

If so, how would you suggest that I notate that?

I have attached a sample page of what I'm thinking I might use: new information is italicized.
Comments would be most welcome.


Posted May 2, 16 22:29 by Matthew Liebson (liebson)

Wonderful new Ohio straightline handstamp from Saybrook, which will go to Van with my next round of Ohio updates

It's Quaker dated - certainly the only Ohio quaker dated straightline (and one of only a couple of Ohio Quaker handstamps - Colerain and Pennsville being others).  Are there other Quaker straightlines out there from other states?


Posted May 2, 16 22:04 by Matthew Liebson (liebson)

Westpex palmares have been posted this evening.  Separately, I was surprised to see that the show only had roughly 216 frames this year (compared to 300+ most years) - a NY2016 impact perhaps?

Posted May 2, 16 21:05 by Larry Fillion (malariastamps)

AAPE is now accepting Pre Order (at a discount) sales for "The Path To Gold" - 175 Proven Stamp Exhibiting Tips, By Steven Zwillinger. Please go to the Book Order page on the AAPE website.


Posted May 2, 16 19:48 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Thank you, John. Congratulations to the Westpex winners.

Posted May 2, 16 19:37 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)


Van has 4 more states (and territory) posted.

North Carolina, Northwest Territory, South Carolina and Tennessee.

Please help out with missing, incorrect data and high quality images. This is an indispensable book that will benefit from your help!

Posted May 2, 16 17:55 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Congratulations to Santiago and Alfredo!!

Posted May 2, 16 17:50 by John Barwis (jbarwis)


Santiago and Alfredo won the Grand and Reserve Grand, respectively.

Posted May 2, 16 17:08 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)


Surely someone knows who/what won the grand and reserve grand awards. No palmares has been posted on the Westpex website.

Posted May 2, 16 16:30 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Give My Regards to Broadway

As much as I like attending the (fairly new to me) shows on the East Coast (WESTPEX having been my main show in CA), it is probably just as well that PNSE, NOJEX, and NAPEX are not there to siphon off my budget before or after NY 2016. In order to get show time, I have to give show time. As in Broadway show time. However, that seems like a reasonable deal to have made with Kathleen. I'm hoping that NY 2016 yields enough material that I am tapped by Day 3 so that I can spend time in the exhibits without feeling like I am shortchanging myself on the buying front. I am also looking forward to seeing some faces I know, and meeting some that I do not. I always feel that I lack enough time to be active in some of the great societies that I send checks to each year, and shortchange both of us as a result.

In 1997, I attended PACIFIC 97 with a budget of maybe $300. I think I still have everything I bought there. Will that hold true in New York?

Posted May 2, 16 16:06 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

Who Won?

Still down in the Bay Area, recovering from Westpex. For me the show is usually top-heavy with frustration and aggravation, as my most aggressive buying competitors are there, and at this point in 'the season' the show's dealers have very little material for any of us.

In May 1992, some of the Chicago area's collectors who had been instrumental in the success of Ameripex 1986, put on another show. Due to a prolific amount of stand-sharing, there was way more material on offer than I'd ever seen in one place, including recent FIP shows that I'd attended. At the end of the show's first day, I compared notes with several colleagues. We'd not even seen each other during the day, not directly competed, and all bought successfully. It was simply impossible for any one of us to cover the entire territory in 8 hours.

In this way, Westpex 2016 was reminiscent of that 1992 show to a degree I haven't seen in the 24 years between the two. I'm guessing that many dealers who were set up this weekend who will also be standholders at NYC FIP have already prepared so much new stuff that their inventories at Westpex were at some kind of one-off peak. In addition, many seemed to be actively buying to further refresh their inventories for NYC, this made easier due to the potential for short-term turnover, coupled with the immense amount of material here. I myself was amazed by how I was steadily busy and productive the entire 14 hours or so I was on the floor; a surprising and welcome change from my usual Westpex where I usually end up with nothing but time.

Therefore it seems to me that we all won! Not everyone did well, however and in general, I'd say that 99.99999 % of items priced over $5 that were brought to the show went back home on Sunday afternoon.

What's my point? It's that the sheer volume and diversity of material on offer at NYC FIP looks to be unprecedented. On top of that, standholders have so much incentive to make sales, that there's liable to be many places a collector of any level to spend all of their money and get good value for it. For most of them, to fully cover the bourse and still have enough time to see even a few exhibits may take far more time than the few days most 'ordinary' visitors may be planning.
So if any of the above applies in any way to any boarders reading this, consider yourself alerted.

Posted May 2, 16 10:38 by Stan Grove (alaskastan)

Who won?


I did -- on all six lots.

Prob not what you were referring to ... :-)

Posted May 1, 16 22:59 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)


Thanks Bob.

Improved images as well as new town markings are much appreciated by Van.

He is on the final sprint to get the new ASCC out but your help really is needed!!

Posted May 1, 16 21:25 by Russell Crow (cornwall2)


I believe the preferred e-mail address for sending scans to Van for the ASCC is stampless.cover.catalog at . I just sent in a few today and have many more to go.

Posted May 1, 16 21:03 by Bob Bramwell (rudy2donline)

ASCC Update

Regarding Gordon's note on progress with Edition 7, or whatever it will be called, I give a shout to Van.  I have information for one lousy town in the whole country and probably sent about a terabite of images, which Van accepted with the grace of a true southerner.
If you have even one cover that might be "new" to ASCC, take the time to get a hi-res image and send it in.  We will all be better off.


Posted May 1, 16 19:58 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)


Who won?

Posted May 1, 16 17:54 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

Posted May 1, 16 17:33 by Terence Hines (thines)

Census question.

Does anyone here know whether the census numbers do or do not include college students for college towns?

Posted Apr 30, 16 21:29 by Charles E. Cwiakala ([email protected])

May 2016 Philatelic Auction Calendar ...

The May 2016 editions of the Philatelic Auction Calendar [34 worldwide sales] and the Auctioneers Announcements are available on our website:

Posted Apr 30, 16 20:46 by Charles E. Cwiakala ([email protected])

Identification ...

Sure resembles Towle's & Meyer's Type 354-F-1 cds: "ATLA. & MONT. R.P.O. / DAY" (Atlanta & Montgomery leg for Route Nº 360)

Posted Apr 30, 16 20:12 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

From Louisiana Postcards

NEW ORLEANS (ORLEANS PARISH). "Levee Scene / (New Orleans)" showing many bales of cotton, steamboats the background; mailed MAR 6 1911 (ATLA. & NEW ORLEANS RPO cancel fairly clear) by M. S. Smalley (who taped that typed name neatly to the front), minor wear at the upper corners. The Atlanta & New Orleans Short Line was an early nickname for the Atlanta and West Point Rail Road which connected Atlanta, Newman, La Grange & West Point. Through the Western Railway of Alabama & its connection to the L. & N. one could in fact travel to new Orleans.  Its cancel is rare -- not illustrated or listed in the authoritative US Transit Markings Catalogue. $50.00 l(n)-r


Posted Apr 30, 16 20:04 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

ATLA. & *** RPO

The picture is too tiny but this is the description of a cover in Phil Bansner's stock:

United States. GA. Atlanta, GA. Fulton Co. Dated 1905/04/02. Cds ties fine France 1c on post card/w fine "Atla & N.O. City Dis RPO" duplex. Towle 354-O-1


Posted Apr 30, 16 19:13 by John Barwis (jbarwis)


ALTA & MONT (Atlanta & Montgomery)?

Posted Apr 30, 16 19:00 by Dave Savadge (nomad55)

The first word is ATLA, perhaps an abbreviation of Atlanta.

The second word seems to begin with a W.

Posted Apr 30, 16 18:42 by Scott Trepel (strepel)


Who can tell me which RPO marking is on the Oct. 1, 1885 FDC of Scott E1?


Posted Apr 30, 16 16:06 by William Duffney (bill duffney)

Spellman Spring Symposium — May 5, 2016

If you will be in the Boston area, this is something to consider —

The fourth Spellman Spring Seminar, talks are focused on Surface Transportation of the Mail in the United States in the 20th Century. Experts include Guy Purington Rural Free Delivery, Frank Scheer Schedules and Routes of the Railway Mail Service and their impact on Mail Delivery, Douglas Clark Streetcar R.P.O. Postmark Anomalies and Hubs of Communication for a Short Lived Service-the H.P.O. with Nancy Clark and Will Keller.


9 AM Museum Opens for Special Exhibits and goodies, Main Gallery

9:45 AM Opening Remarks- College Room 2, Regis Campus

10-11 AM Guy Purington, Earliest Postal Stations of R.F.D.s

11-12 Noon Frank Scheer, Railway Mail Service Schedules of Routes and Schematics of Distribution Routes

12-12:45 PM Dutch Treat lunch in Regis College Cafeteria

1-2 PM Douglas Clark, Streetcar R.P.O. Anomalies

2-3 PM Nancy Clark & Will Keller, Hubs of Communication for a Short Lived Service-H.P.O.s

3-4 PM Return to Museum for a walk through of exhibits

Spellman Museum of Stamps & Postal History 241 Wellesley Street, on the Campus of Regis College Weston, MA 02493

Posted Apr 30, 16 9:01 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

1853 New-York year-dated

A discussion off the board concerned the part of my article in the May Chronicle about the year-dated July 1853 New-York postmarks that approximately coincided with the opening of the Exhibition of the Industry of All Nations at the Crystal Palace, America's first world's fair.

The items illustrated below are for sale. The 1¢ stamp (plated 63R1L by Dick Celler) is missing the day numerals. In the May 1969 Chronicle, Hunter M. Thomas showed a similar day-missing strike on a 3¢ stamp,on a folded letter dated July 20. Roy Weber had a cover with a strike that was barely legible as 20.

$1,000 for the lot to the first person who speaks for it.


Posted Apr 29, 16 16:32 by Roland Cipolla (roncipolla)

Trying to find: Circular red BOSTON USExM Marking 1842 to 1844

Does anyone out there happen to have an example of the marking shown below EXCEPT there is BOSTON in the place of NEW YORK? Need timeframe mid 1842 through March 1844 only.

I have a short fuse need for an example.


Posted Apr 28, 16 23:52 by Richard Taschenberg (coverzz)

Dutch West Indies


Thanks for the information. I had seen the 10c consignee cover but missed the 1887 2c.
I'll have to get back to you on the arrival date.

Posted Apr 28, 16 23:24 by Richard Drews (bear427)


The E grill with the top and/or bottom row of points shaved to appear horizontal is often mistaken for a Z grill. On cover they can be challenging to expertize. The 1c, 10c and 15c are not recorded on cover. Your stamp is clearly an E grill and most of the top row of points has been shaved in trimming the grills on the roller so the bosses appear horizontal but all the other bosses in the grill are vertical. I look for a full 18 points high, since I have over 75 Z grills, many in multiples, and none are 17 points high.


Posted Apr 28, 16 21:50 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Z grill

No, grills are not identified by measuring the dimensions as the Scott catalog suggests. Many cannot be identified without lifting them from covers in order to examine the back sides. That is especially the case with Z grills, which have points down, and are the only genuinely issued grills with the points oriented horizontally. In fluid that feature prominently appears.

Posted Apr 28, 16 21:06 by DM Locke (seeker100)

North Carolina Cover

This cover is dated 29 August 1868 and is post marked from Boon Hill, NC to Clayton, NC both listed in Johnston County, NC. It was sent to one of the towns prominent sale establishments during this period.

Posted Apr 28, 16 21:00 by DM Locke (seeker100)

To Z

Third Item


Posted Apr 28, 16 20:59 by DM Locke (seeker100)

To Z

Second item


Posted Apr 28, 16 20:57 by DM Locke (seeker100)

To Z or not to Z that is the ???

Expert Opinions...

Do the US 1867 Z Grills 1c, 2c, 3c, 10c, 12c, and 15c exist as Scotts and Linn's catalogs plus the expert certifying agencies claim them to be or not. This is important to me as I'm trying to collect all or as many as possible of the 1867-1870 Grilled issues on cover and realizing collecting them all is quite unlikely I still need the question answered.

If an 1867 Z Grill is measured to be 14x17 points, exactly 11mm x 14mm with appearance of horizontal ridges would you consider this a Z or E grill. see examples...


Posted Apr 28, 16 19:13 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Update of the ASCC - more states

We have now posted more preliminary drafts of states for the next edition of the ASCC. We now have an updated Alabama and also first drafts of Oregon, Washington, Iowa, Arizona and New Mexico.

Van Koppersmith has put an amazing amount of work into this effort. Now it is your turn to compare your collections against the current drafts and give Van feedback. Please give us a hand on this.

Van can be reached at [email protected]

More states to arrive shortly.

Posted Apr 28, 16 12:19 by Julian Jones (jonesjh99)

Robertson Revisited Second Supplement 2016

It is with great pleasure The TPO and Seapost Society announce the on-line publication of "Robertson Revisited Second Supplement 2016" by Colin Tabeart.

This edition is available as a download from this TPO and Seapost Society web page .

Originally published in 1997 it is now about 20 years since Robertson Revisited was written. In 2012 the first supplement was published by the TPO and Seapost Society, both on our website and as hard copy.

As Colin writes in the Introduction: "Even now I am still receiving new bits of information from all over the world, including totally new markings, and the time now seems ripe to put these together in the form of a Second Supplement to the original book. This includes all the information in the First Supplement of 2012."

Posted Apr 28, 16 11:21 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Dutch West Indies

Richard - there is a similar use (1869)  listed in census but is addressed to a consignee so nothing due. There is a later use (1887) of a 2c brown entire that also shows 30 cents due. The amount is Dutch cents with each Dutch cent worth about 4/10ths a US cent. So, likely internal domestic postage due.

If you give me the exact arrival date, I wll check departures in newspapers.

Posted Apr 28, 16 11:07 by Richard Taschenberg (coverzz)

Privately carried to Curacao

I need some help with the manuscript “30” marking. The envelope was carried privately to Curacao with the required steamship rate paid by the 10c entire. The 30 doesn't seem right for postage due, but my knowledge of foreign rates is very weak. There are no marking on the back. Also, where would I look for ship arrival data for Curacao? Please excuse the low resolution scan.



Posted Apr 28, 16 10:35 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Presidential Series Postal History

How high will this eBay lot go?

The 10¢ coil on international air mail postcard has a Scott catalog value of $1,200, yet the usage was not possible during the 1938-1953 period usually considered the Prexie Era. However, the next 10¢ coil stamp was not issued until 1968, so this was the only one available for vending machine sales at international air terminals during the 1954-1961 period when that rate was in effect. Why is it so expensive? Probably because Steve Taylor hasn't repatriated enough of them to meet the soaring demand for Prexie showpieces.

Posted Apr 28, 16 10:10 by Mark Metkin (metkin)

Philately in the Pacific Northwest

Is a largely seasonal activity because we are busy fretting over our wintertime acquisitons while floating in our boats on the lake and fishing in unspoiled rivers.  A show calendar is available at the Northwest Federation of Stamp Clubs web site, which I am evidently unable to link to here because of privacy concerns so you may google it.  Never let custumer service interfere with privacy concerns lol!  The APS Show takes the place of Pipex this year.

Add-on by editor: or post a link like this one: here.


Posted Apr 27, 16 20:22 by Matthew Liebson (liebson)

The other patient is dated June 5, 1849.  Am I correct that this one went via Cunard (Niagara, departing NY June 13), arriving Liverpool June 25 (there is a British backstamp of this date), then sent on to the French system for transmission to Germany, entering the French mails at Boulogne?  5 cents prepaid to the british mail system.


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