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Posted Jul 29, 14 23:13 by richard babcock (babcock)

Postal card

Delay of order by H.S. Chamberlin.


Posted Jul 29, 14 22:58 by richard babcock (babcock)


Does any one know the year the cover was canceled and was the M of M.o. Always turned sideways during this period?


Posted Jul 29, 14 22:50 by Richard Drews (bear427)

Turned 3 and Mailed 4 Times


Quite a cover! But then again, in the over 35 years I've known you, you've had lots of experience turning things inside out.

See you and many board members in Hartford.


Posted Jul 29, 14 21:30 by Roland Cipolla (roncipolla)

Cover Mailed Four Times - Turned Three Times

Internally dated 7 November 1844

Mailed 8 November (CDS) Schenectady NY to Auburn NY, single rate 6cts,  which is 157 miles west on the railroad.
Turned and mailed 9 November Auburn (CDS), triple rate 18 3/4cts, back to Schenectady.
Turned and mailed 11 November Schenectady (CDS), single rate 6cts, back to Auburn.
Turned and mailed 12 November Auburn (CDS), single rate 6cts, back to Schenectady.


Posted Jul 29, 14 17:30 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

turned cover

No worries.  I just wanted a good excuse to put a farm picture on the board.

I'm afraid I have a bit of tunnel vision with my memory of philatelic items, so I'll remember the 12ct/2ct turned cover because it is an 1861 series item sooner than something else.  But, that shouldn't be a surprise - farmers are known for tunnel vision... especially when they're driving a tractor that is pulling a hayrack full of garlic after Chip Gliedman.


Posted Jul 29, 14 9:52 by Russ Ryle (hoosierboy)

re: Postal forms

Morning all,

The David Straight collection of postal forms will be offere at auction by Regency / Superior at Stampshow in several large lots.  If a reader of this board purchases any of this material it would be sincerely appreciatd if they would make images of these forms available to the on going postal forms project at the APS / APRL.  Most are listed in the data base that is the basis for this project; however. no images are currently available to accompany this information.

Please contact me or Tara Murray at the APRL to discuss this further.  New members to our working discussion group always welcome.

Best regards,  Russ Ryle

Posted Jul 29, 14 7:54 by David Gass (davidgass)

Hong Kong

Headed to HK tomorrow for business through the weekend. Any recommendations on stamp markets or dealers to visit? Advice is much appreciated!

Posted Jul 28, 14 23:14 by Chip Gliedman (cgliedman)

Turned cover

Wow - thanks, Rob.

I completely forgot about that one. Isn't in my "exhibit" collection, so it's been out of mind for years, now. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it!.

It is cute, in the pug dog sense of cute.


Posted Jul 28, 14 22:36 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

This one Chip

Just so you know.

Posted Jul 28, 14 20:15 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Transatlantic Turned Cover - 1849 (Content)

The content of the turned cover.


Posted Jul 28, 14 20:13 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Transatlantic Turned Cover - 1849

Reverse of the transatlantic piece, with Liverpool markings. August 14, 1849.


Posted Jul 28, 14 20:12 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Transatlantic Turned Cover - 1849

August 13, 1849: Turned by recipient in Sheffield and addressed to New York with One Shilling postage paid in cash...


Posted Jul 28, 14 20:10 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Transatlantic Turned Cover - 1849

Reverse of Inland from Dudley to Sheffield - August 12, 1849


Posted Jul 28, 14 20:08 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Transatlantic Turned Cover -1849

August 12, 1849 Dudley, England to Sheffield, England with Inland Postage paid with 1841 1d Red canceled Blue 263 of Dudley. FRONT


Posted Jul 28, 14 17:25 by Steve Walske (steve w)

Not Turned

This one isn't turned, but is a simple October 1864 one penny letter from London to Reading that was forwarded to Fraser Trenholm at Liverpool. They put it on a blockade runner to Charleston (chasing the addressee, who had returned to the CSA), where it re-entered the mails with 6c ship postage due. Forwarded one more time in South Carolina.

Not turned, but it is the same letter mailed twice...


Posted Jul 28, 14 16:41 by Richard Matta (rkmatta)


The Austrians and Slovaks in my family emigrated to the US shortly before WWI. My GG grandmother of Irish descent emigrated from Scotland with her children after her husband died in the war (he is buried in the Aeroplane Cemetery in Ypres, Belgium). I know folks corresponded back home to all of those places, in some cases into the 1970s, but I have never seen any mail. I know my uncle soaked incoming stamps from Czechoslovakia off mail so any of those covers are probably lost.


Posted Jul 28, 14 14:51 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)


Nice to see all the turned covers posted. I think they are all nice but the ones I like best are those where the recipient of the letter turned the letter to respond in the same time frame vs just found an old envelop or letter and used it (like my '47 and Confederate use). Rich Drew's cover may be my all time favorite. Beautiful and historic. I have looked for something like that with 1847 or 1851-1856 stamps to no avail. i.e. a stamp both ways.

One reason I speculate that most turned covers are pre-paid only one way is because one of the two parties were 'expected' to pay.

Also the current issue of the Chronicle Ron Cipolla's article shows a 5 cent 1847 letter refolded to a newspaper wrapper and mailed. Nice cover.

Posted Jul 28, 14 13:43 by Leonard Hartmann (hartmann)

Bicycle 1934 re-run

Sorry to again intrude on a mundane subject

for the 1934 re-run does anyone know of a multiple,
i have a single indicating it was again printed from a sheet of 6

also the work MAIL being abscured was press printed but
not when the stamp was printed

am just trying to put a dead subject to rest and finish a little fun exhibit


Posted Jul 28, 14 13:01 by richard babcock (babcock)

David Snow

Baltimore letter. Thank You


Posted Jul 28, 14 12:48 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Turned Transatlantic 1849

Will post a transatlantic example from August 1849 when I get back. Invoice from Dewsbury to Sheffield, England with a 1841 1d red with a blue numeral cancel confirming shipment of items to Liverpool by rail, then refolded and prepaid One Shilling in cash and sent onwards to the USA. So, prepaid 1d inland via stamp, then turned and prepaid 1/- cash via Cunard.

Posted Jul 28, 14 12:28 by Larry Baum (boomer)

Turned cover 1847 & CSA

Here is the CSA side


Posted Jul 28, 14 12:27 by Larry Baum (boomer)

Turned cover 1847 & CSA

Gordon, Here is the sister cover to your turned 1847 & CSA Macon Ga.


Posted Jul 28, 14 12:24 by David Snow (dwsnow)


Dave Savadge: Thanks for sharing the interesting information about your Austrian grandfather during the war.

My enduring interest in Austrian philately stems from the fact that my paternal great-grandfather Jacob Schnee immigrated from Vienna, Austria to New York City in the late 19th century.

Schnee means "Snow" in German. My great-grandfather Anglicized his name to Snow when he immigrated to the U.S.

Here is a painting of two Austrian monitors on the Danube River shelling Belgrade, Serbia in 1915.

Source: "The American Heritage History of World War I" by the Editors of American Heritage Magazine, American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc., 1964.


Posted Jul 28, 14 12:19 by Larry Baum (boomer)

turned blockade

first page of the letter


Posted Jul 28, 14 12:17 by Larry Baum (boomer)

turned blockade

Here is the cover that contained the letter


Posted Jul 28, 14 12:15 by Larry Baum (boomer)

Turned blockade cover

Steve, I thought you might like to see this cover/letter which ties into your Fox, blockade cover. The last paragraph on the second page mentions the arrival of the steamer "Fox".


Posted Jul 28, 14 11:51 by Dave Savadge (nomad55)

My grandfather served as an officer in the Austrian cavalry on the eastern (Russian) front.  Somewhere I still have his medal given to to all WWI veterans by the Austrian  government.  He was not married at the time, but surely did write to his parents.  Those letters/card are long lost to history.

Posted Jul 28, 14 11:46 by David Snow (dwsnow)

100th Anniversary Start of World War I

Today, July 28, is the 100th anniversary of the Austro-Hungarian declaration of war upon Serbia. This was the start of World War I, known at the time as the Great War.

At 11 A.M. on July 28, one month almost to the minute after the assassination of Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie in Sarajevo, Bosnia by Gavrilo Princip, Austria-Hungary notified Serbia by telegram that she had declared war. This manner of announcing hostilities was so out of keeping with diplomatic tradition that Serbian Prime Minister Nikola P. Pašić, upon reading the message, first regarded it as a hoax. Germany had not been notified. 

Here is an image of a 1915 Austrian postal card in my collection. The German inscription "Beschießung Belgrads von der Save aus" translates as "Bombardment of Belgrade from the River Sava".

I recommend for further reading the classic book "The Guns of August" (1962) by Barbara Tuchman, which covers the crucial first month of the conflict in detail.


Posted Jul 28, 14 10:55 by Richard Drews (bear427)

Turned Confederate/Union cover

Bought this over 30 years ago. Still love it.



Posted Jul 28, 14 10:38 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Turned covers

Thanks to all for posting your great turned covers. I didn't expect to see such an outpouring of interesting examples after posting my turned cover. 

Here is a Confederate Postmaster Provisional entire on a demonetized and turned 3c Star Die entire from the Siegel Auction Sale 1073 last month. Not in my collection, however.

Note that the color of the carmine postmarks actually look brown.

Courtesy of Robert A. Siegel Auction Galleries, Inc.


Posted Jul 28, 14 2:23 by Dave Savadge (nomad55)


I don't have any re-used covers in my collection, but my friend has this little Confederate tidbit with a plate number single.
As I recall, it came out of Stan Piller's stock about 15 years ago.


Posted Jul 28, 14 2:16 by David Snow (dwsnow)

1823 Baltimore stampless letter

Richard Babcock,

Happy Birthday! Thanks for posting your interesting 1823 Baltimore to NYC folded letter. Please post a scan of the letter contents that you refer to.

Your letter has a manuscript "18-1/2" (collect) which was the rate for 150 to 400 miles, for a single letter sheet.

In 1825 the rate was adjusted upwards to 18-3/4 cents for that same distance to accommodate the currency then in common use. Namely 1-1/2 reales in Spanish silver specie, which outnumbered the U.S. silver coins in circulation at that time, minted in Philadelphia. A Spanish half real was worth 6-1/4 cents. Foreign gold and silver coins were legal tender in the U.S. until 1857. However, the U.S did mint copper half cent coins at that time; convenient for use as payment for postal rates such as your folded letter. The English copper farthing of that time was equal in value to a U.S. half cent.

Here is an 1823 Baltimore folded letter in my collection, same year and cds as yours, but a 20 cent double rate. In PhilaMercury cover ID 22321


Posted Jul 28, 14 1:33 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Here is another 1847 turned cover used with a confederate stamp. A little mouse damage etc but pretty unusual. Not sure what to do with it.

Image from the Siegel catalog.


Posted Jul 27, 14 23:21 by Richard Drews (bear427)

Big turned cover




Posted Jul 27, 14 22:57 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

turned cover



Now you're teasing me.  Don't tease me, I'm a farmer.  I'll just run you down with my tractor.

I may even pull the hayrack with a load of garlic while I do it.



Posted Jul 27, 14 22:50 by Chip Gliedman (cgliedman)

Turned cover


This one?

It's a turned temperance envelope used with a postmaster free frank.

Only used once, but I guess the Postmaster didn't want to use his frank on a propaganda cover.

If that's not the one you're thinking of, you'll have to give me a better hint.



Posted Jul 27, 14 22:45 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

turned cover

Steve Walske,


Speaking of turned covers (but not quite).  Did you ever notice that this item is an inverted preprinted address envelope?  No, had not been used before, but they clearly were repurposing.



Posted Jul 27, 14 22:42 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

turned cover

show the other one you have Chip.

Posted Jul 27, 14 22:02 by Steve Walske (steve w)

Turned Blockade Letter

1864 inbound to Charleston on the "Fox" and then re-used with a CSA 10 stamp.


Posted Jul 27, 14 20:55 by Chip Gliedman (cgliedman)

Turned letter

And here's a British example. Unfortunately, the inner stamp was removed prior to remailing. Oh well.



Posted Jul 27, 14 16:45 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

The cover (turned Greenwich cover) came from the Harvey Mirsky's collection Siegel lot 2318 sale 1023. I got a lot of great stuff from that sale. He had some beautiful items.

Posted Jul 27, 14 16:35 by David Snow (dwsnow)

turned cover

Gordon: Thanks for posting your great example of a 5c 1847 turned cover. Very nice rich color to the stamp, also. I figured that if any examples were out there it would be in your collection.

Yeah, maybe I should have my fat margin stamp graded (just kidding). I don't think they grade complete covers, however. Too bad.

Actually, if anyone were to do a modern exhibit on the souvenir sheet from the Centenary International Philatelic Exposition of 1947, my cover could be a part of it.

Posted Jul 27, 14 16:10 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)

Dave I like it. Stamp looks like 100 Jumbo :-)

Here is a turned cover with the stamp not so big margins.


Posted Jul 27, 14 16:05 by richard babcock (babcock)

Folded letter

Here is a Baltimore folded letter dated Feb 26 1823. Offers 10 to 15 cakes for sale @ $1.50 . An early internet symbol used in letter. Interesting letter. Posting this one on my 47th birth date.


Posted Jul 27, 14 14:31 by David Snow (dwsnow)

turned cover

Here is what I discovered when I turned the letter completely inside out. Full description in cover ID 22320.

A pity it wasn't a contemporary turned cover with a 5c red brown stamp of 1847.

I suppose in 1947 this common 1847 stampless letter was worth only 10 cents retail or a quarter at best, so it was a cute, inexpensive souvenir for the collector attending the Centenary International Philatelic Exhibition in New York.


Posted Jul 27, 14 14:24 by David Snow (dwsnow)

letter contents

Here are the letter contents of this common stampless folded letter dated 1847 from Oswego, NY. So far nothing out of the ordinary.


Posted Jul 27, 14 14:23 by David Snow (dwsnow)

unusual folded letter

I wish to share an unusual 1847 folded stampless letter from Oswego, NY. It was part of a batch of mostly common stampless folded letters from a large group auction lot that I had acquired recently. 

I noticed that this stampless letter was folded irregularly, so I opened it up to see what was going on, and this is what I found. 

Letter contents and what I found will follow in my next posts.


Posted Jul 27, 14 11:46 by Chris Records (crecords)

1765 Burlington NJ letter

I wanted to add some information concerning this letter. It was written July 4th 1765 by James Kinsey Burlington NJ to William Bayard in New York with wonderful content about the Stamp Act crisis! I was just searching the name Lawrence Sweeny / Sweeney which is written above the Bishops mark on the back. Lawrence Sweeney was an outspoken Irish American who secretly distributed the Constitutional Courant and was outspoken against the British actions in 1765. I read that he would carry mail for 1c. I wonder if postage was paid but the letter was forwarded by Sweeney considering the passionate content concerning the Stamp Act Congress where William Bayard was a delegate. A historical postal cover and letter. William Bayarad would later side with the British and have his lands taken.

Posted Jul 27, 14 0:05 by Chris Records (crecords)

Earliest Known Burlington NJ Cancel?

Has anyone come across a cancel from Burlington NJ earlier than 1765? I was so fascinated by the history of the letter being written by James Kinsey a member of the first Continental congress that I did not consider the cancel until tonight. The earliest date listed in the ASCC is 1744. So far my searching has not turned up anything close.



Posted Jul 26, 14 14:59 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Contemporary References to Packet vs. Ship Letters

The relevant opening page of letter of November 3, 1842 from London to South Lee, Mass.


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