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Posted Apr 17, 14 16:53 by David Snow (dwsnow)

mail to US Consul, Rio

Here is a cover to the U.S. Consul in Rio de Janiero, expedited by the forwarding agent H. Jenkins & Co. in Baltimore. 

Letters forwarded by this agent are known from 1860-64, according to Rowe.

In PhilaMercury census here.


Posted Apr 17, 14 16:41 by David Snow (dwsnow)

mail to US naval officer in Rio

Here is a cover to a lieutenant onboard the USS Hartford, via England, care of U.S. Consul in Rio de Janiero.

In Philamercury census here.


Posted Apr 17, 14 16:03 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Redirected Naval Mail (1873)

This September 6, 1873 cover was originally sent from Fareham to a Captain in the Royal Marine Light Infantry in Plymouth at the correct One Penny domestic rate, but as the addressee was now aboard the HMS Repulse, the Royal Navy's Pacific Fleet Flagship, it was returned to the sender for an addition One Shilling and Sixpence (36 cents) in postage. The HMS Repulse was on station at Esquimalt, British Columbia when this item would have caught up with it.


Posted Apr 17, 14 15:55 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Naval Mail (Rev)

The instruction on the reverse is pretty specific...


Posted Apr 17, 14 15:54 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Naval Mail

It is interesting that the US had that facility for mail to USN vessels. Mail sent to those serving on Royal Navy vessels gets complicated very quickly.

The attached example from September 1850 was sent from the Kingdom of Sardinia to a British Naval officer via his father in Fareham, England. It endured a number of payments and routings before finally reaching Lieutenant Theophilus Kelsall aboard the HMS Rattler of the West Coast of Africa where it was interdicting slavers. A complicated cover (understatement of the year).


Posted Apr 17, 14 15:53 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

Mail to sailors

Here is another method: via the U.S. Consul in 1858.


Posted Apr 17, 14 15:50 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

U.S. Naval Lyceum

Here is an article about the Lyceum.

Posted Apr 17, 14 15:21 by Stanley Piller (stmpdlr)

Naval Lyceum

Hi Gordon I agree with what you said. The sender James Buchanan (who became President) wrote the letter on Christmas day to his buddy who was a Surgeon in the US Navy. He just addressed it to him, the first 2 lines in the address. He brought it to the PO the next day which incidentally was a Sunday. He paid 50c because he did not want his friend to pay for the letter and since he did not know which ocean he was going to he paid the maximum rate to South America at that time, 50c (West Coast, 45c East Coast SA)

The PO sent it to the Lyceum in Brooklyn. Technically it was overpaid 47c It was then handled and addressed by the Lyceum who knew where the sailors were sent and on which ship.

In this case the Dr was a Surgeon aboard the USS Jamestown and since ships were constantly sailing for the Rio area at that time it probably was enclosed in a mail bag aboard a US Naval Ship.

My guess is that Buchanan wanted his friend to know he was prepared to get it to him at no cost to his friend and the quickest way

I think it is neat and interesting

Posted Apr 17, 14 15:03 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)


My understanding of how the 'Lyceum' in Brooklyn (there were others) worked is that a letter addressed to the Lyceum to a deployed ship would be sent privately by the Navy to that ship. So the postage is normally the postage to Brooklyn. In this case it would be 3 cents prepaid. At the Lyceum the handstamp was applied and then the letter sent privately to the ship.

This letter could have been included in a package of letters sent to the Lyceum and then sent via US Mail vs. by a Navy ship. Maybe the postoffice new to send it there even if addressed directly? But I do not think it would have the handstamp unless it went to the Lyceum.

Attached is an example - top cover.

Also see Chronicle J08 / No vembe r 1980 / Vol. 32. No.4 page 286


Posted Apr 17, 14 13:41 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)


Mark (and Others)

I believe that you are correct. April 25, 1863 from London via Queenstown, Ireland on April 26, 1863 sailing of Cunard's "Australasian". Arrived in New York on May 6, 1863. The '35' does correspond to Hubbard/Winter also. Sounds like perhaps the May 2 Boston arrival is the first for Depreciated Currency for Boston and that the May 6 arrival of Australasian in New York might be the same for New York.

The depreciated era is not my main focus, but is intriguing nevertheless.

For this interested in the the 'real world' impact of depreciating paper currency, here are the contents of an August 8, 1863 circular sent from Liverpool to New York at the One Penny (2 cents) rate for Circulars Registered at the GPO for Transmission Abroad that directly address the issues of exchange inherent at the time.



Posted Apr 17, 14 13:33 by Stanley Piller (stmpdlr)

Naval lyceum cover

Some more information about this cover. It was sent by James Buchanan who would eventually be President. He lived in Lancaster PA. The person he addressed it to was Dr, Jonathon M. Foltz, who was a surgeon in the navy (at that time aboard the USS Jamestown. He later became Surgeon General for 1871-1872 and retired a Commodore in the Navy. He too was from Lancaster and I presume they were good friends. The rate to the East Coast of South America was 45c in 1852 and to the west coast 50c. This letter was mailed Dec 26, 1852 per docketing at right and was written Dec 25, Christmas day. I'm assuming that Buchanan wanted to prepay the letter to his friend so he paid the maximum he thought it would cost as he probably did not know if the ship was sailing to Brazil or the Pacific. If this works I've attached the flap which shows I believe a forwarder notation Stan


Posted Apr 17, 14 11:20 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Naval Lyceum cover

Stanley Piller emailed me the scan below. I am at a loss to understand the "Paid 50" rate. The December 1852 cover was prepaid at Lancaster PA and the first two lines of address put on by sender. It was carried my mail to the Lyceum in Brooklyn, N.Y. who would have arranged transport to Brazil. So rate should have been 3c for single weight.

Stanley thinks maybe the sender, James Buchanan, prepaid the highest possible rate thinking it might go my mail to "someplace" in South America. I can think of no other logical explanation.


Posted Apr 17, 14 9:18 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

Depreciated Currency

I like the confirmation of the two graphs.

Nothing more to add, but I'll reshare my example of depreciated currency.



Posted Apr 17, 14 8:25 by Roger Rhoads (roger rhoads)

In Defense of AOL

It is the only provider I have ever used, and I have had no problems.  However, others get hacked, and I get messages telling me to go to a website that invariably is some pharmacy .  Got one from Bob Mark* this am, so I sent him a note that he had been hacked.

Posted Apr 17, 14 4:53 by bert boonstra (bertboon)

Dave, much appreciated. I do detect a very faint '2' in the bar cancel.

Posted Apr 16, 14 23:26 by Leonard Piszkiewicz (lenp99)

Depreciated Currency Ratios

Rich's empirical data of observed currency to gold ratios closely follows published graphs of dollar to gold ratios - see graphs below found on the internet - as would be expected. The premium in dollars lasted until greenbacks were finally redeemed in 1879.


Posted Apr 16, 14 18:21 by Dave Savadge (nomad55)

Bert's PanPac cancel

The postmark Bert refers to in his message is SF15-09-06B which has a blank die space in the killer bars.
However, his cover's picture shows an example of SF15-09-02A.  The number 2 is very faintly visible above the left 5 on the stamp.
Note the two dots are missing in the bottom corners of the slogan box.

This has been a frequent problem with both the 1-cent green and 5-cent blue Pan Pac stamps, where significant features on a lightly printed postmark can be sometimes obscured by the darker ink of the stamp. 

Posted Apr 16, 14 18:09 by Ravi Vora (nusivar)


I learned today that my yahoo email was hacked and spurious email messages were sent from my email about my being stranded in Philippines---My apologies. I contacted Yahoo and was told to change my password which I immediately did. I hope this will stop further abuse of my email.

Richard: I am not using aol email. Thanks.

Posted Apr 16, 14 17:01 by Richard Drews (bear427)


I did a scatter plot of the ratios by date as listed in the back of the revised edition of Starnes. It may prove of some interest.



Posted Apr 16, 14 16:35 by Bill Weiss (weiss111)

Wells Fargo Shaded Ads

We spoke about this briefly last week. Here's a lovely and scarce example (I do not believe I had this one in my collection) I currently have for sale.

Posted Apr 16, 14 16:17 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

Depreciated Currency continued

Andrew, That may have been carried on the Australasian, which left Queenstown on April 26 and reached New York on May 6. Hubbard & Winter shows that New York "35" as being used in May 1863. The ratio of 35 to 24 (1.46) is similar to other depreciated currency markings at that time. I have several Boston markings in June with ratios of 1.3 - 1.4.

Posted Apr 16, 14 15:52 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Depreciated Currency Marking

With the caveat that I have done zero research on this cover, here is one mailed from London to New York on April 25,1863 that has a London CDS for that date, a '19 Cents' (hence via Cunard), and a '35'. Based on the date it was mailed, I would expect it to have arrived in the USA during the first week of May 1863. I'm certain someone will know well before I head home for the day to look at my books!


Posted Apr 16, 14 15:22 by David Snow (dwsnow)

longest password

Richard Drews: Thanks for ideas on password selection - good advice.

During a recent password audit by a company, it was found that an employee was using the following password:


When asked why he had chosen such a long password, the employee said that it needed to be at least 8 characters and include at least one capital.

If that was me, I would have chosen "MoeLarryCurlyShemp . . . "

Posted Apr 16, 14 15:01 by Mark Schwartz (schwamoo)

Depreciated Currency

There is a cover that arrived at Boston on May 2, 1863, via the Cunard steamer Europa, struck with a "43" hand stamp (representing depreciated currency) as they had not yet developed hand stamps specifically for that purpose yet. I'm pretty sure this is the earliest used at Boston. I cannot speak with certainty of any markings used at NYC for a similar purpose.

Posted Apr 16, 14 14:47 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Passwords, Exhibit supplies

I use a system vaguelly similar to Rich Drews, though I think his much better thought out.
I have used Atlantic Protective since it was Taylormade and find the materials excellent.

Posted Apr 16, 14 14:46 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

1863 currency markings

Of the top of my head, May at NYC and June elsewhere.

Posted Apr 16, 14 13:21 by paul bourke (paulb3)


1. Exhibiting far and wide:

The crash and burn destruction of the FedEx truck last week reinforces my belief that no carrier is safe and that it is in my best interests to not send my stuff anywhere without me -- this being a corollary, of course, to the tragic loss of life on the bus that also was involved.

2. AOL

I remained tied to AOL because, after all these years, it seems to me that since so many people have it as my email address, it would be too big a pain to change. Am I mistaken in this belief??

Thanks in advance.....

Posted Apr 16, 14 13:00 by David D'Alessandris (davidd)

lost auction lot

There is an interesting article in today's Washington Post about a non-philatelic auction.  The auction house (Sloans & Kenyon in Bethesda MD) apparently "misplaced" a painting following an auction last February.  The buyer filed suit in Louisiana against the auction house alleging that the house sold the painting to a third-party for more than the hammer price.  The Louisiana court awarded the buyer $43,500.  The auction house is now trying to have the Louisiana award nullified because the auction terms of sale included a form selection clause requiring any litigation to be brought in Federal court in Maryland [not sure how they expect to satisfy Federal jurisdictional requirements - but that is what the article says], and because title did not pass to the buyer.  The article is here

Posted Apr 16, 14 12:59 by Richard Drews (bear427)

Depreciated Currency


May of 1863, exact dates vary by incoming office.


Posted Apr 16, 14 12:56 by Richard Drews (bear427)



Sounds more like your response to my latest suggestions about your NYFM exhibit, albeit after a few beers.

I find it useful to create 2 formulas for passwords; one for basic sites and one for important transactions.

Create a basic core for your password: Examp!3

Modify the core by adding something about the site to your password: Fraj1Examp!3

This is robust enough for most encryption and will be easy to remember. For more important sites I would suggest a slightly more complex core such as: C0mp!3xiTy-

You could then append something that comes to mind when you go to the site. For Bank of America, perhaps Comp!3xiTy-8ofA

Using a pattern that employs some mnemonic devices and substitutions you can have robust passwords that you can recreate with a moment of thought.


Posted Apr 16, 14 12:48 by Andrew Reid (andrewukusa1847)

Depreciated Currency Markings

I'm not anywhere near my reference library. Can anyone advise when the first depreciated currency markings were used on transatlantic mail during 1863, and how long New York used just a simple numeral marking of "XX"  before getting the "Or XX U.S. Notes" CDS? Not urgent, only if someone has it close at hand. Andrew

Posted Apr 16, 14 12:35 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Do Not Use AOL!

Ravi - Your AOL account is sending out the usual Spam emails asking for money ($2,600)  so you do not get stranded (this time in the Philippines).

I get 20 spams a day from hacked AOL accounts. It is beyond me why anybody would use the service.

Posted Apr 16, 14 12:32 by Nick Kirke (nick kirke)


I was going to use Llanfairpwllgwyngllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, a Welsh place name that kind of rolls off the tongue.

Posted Apr 16, 14 12:25 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Postage Due Penalty

Barry - Thank you. The double penalty was ended for domestic mail with the Act of March 3, 1865. Here.

Posted Apr 16, 14 12:15 by Rob Faux (robfaux)

secure site

According to software that tests for the heartbleed vulnerability, this site is not affected by this security issue.

Rob Faux

Posted Apr 16, 14 11:57 by Ken Stach (kenstach)

Passwords 2

It is on rare occasion I agree with Ken L, so I will do so publicly. Like Ken, I find far too many websites requiring complex passwords...ones that I invariably forget. I end up having to use their "send me my password" link, which sends a garbled new password to my email. One then has to enter the website with the new garbled password and immediately change it to one that you'll again forget.

Back on postal history, did anyone have any thoughts on the 26 cents apparent postage notation on the cover I posted a couple days ago (again here)?


Posted Apr 16, 14 11:52 by Barry Jablon (friday)

1869 Postage Due and weird computer stuff

Yesterday I tried to send a private email to Richard about whether penalties still applied to domestic mail in 1869 (I don't think they did-- I have a quantity of covers franked with a single 3 cent Pictorial, marked "Due 3" for insufficient postage-- if penalties applied, the mark would be "Due 6," disregarding the "part postage" as happened with US-Canada mail.

Anyway, I found this morning that Richard's cite isn't accepting my email, which Verizon says will keep on trying to send. And I agree, all who stored their SSN's debit card, and passport numbers on this Board should worry!

Posted Apr 16, 14 10:32 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)


To me the most annoying websites I visit are my philatelic subscriptions that reject simple passwords because their off-the-shelf software demands secure ones. Why must I contrive long alphanumeric upper/lower "random" strings of keyed symbols just to read a newsletter on a site that has no personal information beyond what's in the telephone directory? If everything must be "secure," eventually nothing will be. Yet protests to webmasters yield no relief. They take satisfaction from tormenting less technically sophisticated dues payers with the emblems of their trade.  

Posted Apr 16, 14 10:27 by bert boonstra (bertboon)

Panama-Pacific Exposition

According to Bomar this slogan cancel was only used in February and December, 1915.
The cancel on the cover shown dates:October 5, 1915. The 5 Cent is perf. 10. Can anybody tell me whether this is a unique cancel for the month of October?


Posted Apr 16, 14 9:51 by David Snow (dwsnow)

Archival plastic supplier

Ravi: I would recommend Atlantic Protective Pouches of Toms River, N.J. as a good source. Contact is Wally.

I use them for my exhibit pages. Here is link to their website.

Posted Apr 16, 14 9:31 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Updated 409H EDU cover

I have just added a cover to the Siskin / Berkun  EDU file. David Horton sent me images of a #409H cover used from Berea, Ohio on April 12, 1913. It has a new PF certificate.

Posted Apr 16, 14 8:52 by Ravi Vora (nusivar)

Back in USA and Request for Help

Dear Friends:

Kathy, our five year old toy poodle Charlie and I finally made it back to Houston from Pretoria South Africa a couple of weeks ago. We are madly resettling this week. I hope to be more active with philatelic friends and on this board as I am spending more time on developing some exhibits including one eight frame for PhilaKorea.

My request is for recommendation on wholesale suppliers of exhibit supplies, i.e. archival exhibit pages (tailor made to size besides std size), sleeves, cover sleeves, and matting cards as well as mounts for holding large covers and documents. I would be grateful with any recommendation and contact info that the fellow board members can provide. Many thanks.

Ravi PS: I plan to attend NAPEX in Washington DC this year where I am showing two small exhibits previously not shown in USA.

Posted Apr 16, 14 7:50 by Richard Frajola (frajola)


Russ - You know better than posting that kind of drivel!

However, if you are concerned, you might want to change your password to the board and protect all the credit card info you have stored on this site ...

Posted Apr 16, 14 7:08 by Russ Ryle (hoosierboy)

re: Heartbleed Vulnerability

Morning all,

In checking some web sites we all may frequently visit I find both this site and the APS are listed as possibly being vunerable to password hacking.  Ebay looks secure.

Google and Yahoo seem to be the two big sights infected based on what I hear from friends who work security as a day job. 

Best regards,  Russ Ryle

Posted Apr 15, 14 19:48 by Gordon Eubanks (gordon)


I really do want to see the exhibit!

And thanks for having a good sense of humor :-)


Posted Apr 15, 14 16:29 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

early steamboats

  I think I finally figured out what you mean.  Very clever!  (I'm laughing but refuse to LOL on religious grounds.)

Posted Apr 15, 14 7:02 by Roger Rhoads (roger rhoads)

March Party

Bernard, had a great time talking with you for the first time and your WAY post card story.  Thanks for your time.

Posted Apr 14, 14 22:23 by Lawrence Gregg (ecovers)

Advertising cover for the Fishing Enthusiast

Reverse of advertsing cover for the angler - Great catch!


Posted Apr 14, 14 22:22 by Lawrence Gregg (ecovers)

Advertising cover for the Fishing Enthusiast

Greetings to all... here's a lovely advertising cover for the philatelist anglers of the boards.  Franked with a single 5c George Washington (1213) with Aug 20, 1965 Fleetville, PA cancel.  With awesome photographic illustration on reverse (next post).


Posted Apr 14, 14 20:42 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Check for Heartbleed Vulnerability

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