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Posted Apr 24, 17 2:32 by Tim Henninger (pälzer)

@ken: there are no traces of another / former attached stamp. By the way: Another collector friend an I notice a lot of postcards which came over with just 1 cent franking and no postage-fee  to be demanded for the underpaid 1 cent. This is now so often the case, that we are slowly wondering if it has a special reason.

Posted Apr 23, 17 21:32 by Terence Hines (thines)


Perhaps the top envelope on a stack each requiring some postage due?

Posted Apr 23, 17 20:43 by richard babcock (babcock)


Why were sixteen cents of precancels needed? 10 cent Maryland precancel invert is my first to come across.


Posted Apr 23, 17 19:51 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)


There was no discount. Either your postal card was underpaid or a stamp was affixed and canceled that later fell off.

Posted Apr 23, 17 18:12 by Tim Henninger (pälzer)

Hallo, found this card from april 1905 on a show today, but just franked with one cent. How was this possible for an overseas-destination ? Was there perhaps a favored tarif ? Regards Tim


Posted Apr 23, 17 14:09 by Richard Drews (bear427)



You have named major houses that call their lots live and don't play games. You'll know the result before you get to the next lotunless there is an almost immediate correction of a mistake. If the buyer doesn't pay that would not be known for a few weeks. If you don't bid live, use an agent or set a limit or use or bids. Most auctioneers have enough eyes on them that they need to play straight. Second chance offers are for the schlock outlets such as eBay.


Posted Apr 23, 17 13:19 by Gregory Shoults (coilcollector)


I have had some unusual experiences on Ebay as well. I once bought a buy it now item and after paying for the item received a message the next day the item had been removed from my purchases and the money refunded. On another occasion I had bid on an item, was in the lead, and the seller ended the auction and withdrew the item.

Posted Apr 23, 17 12:22 by Paul Dessau ([email protected])

Bidding at Auctions

Thanks for all of the feedback everybody. I assume it happens a little more often on Ebay. How about in more formal auctions, such as Siegel, Shyler Rumsey, etc. ?

Posted Apr 23, 17 11:46 by Richard Frajola (frajola)

Camp Warner, Oregon

I just uploaded an article by Barry Jablon to the site here. It is also linked from the "articles" page.

"Boston to Camp Warner the Hard Way: A Fort Too Far"

Thank you!

Posted Apr 23, 17 11:38 by Richard Matta (rkmatta)


It happened to me on ebay yesterday, I lost at the last moment to to a higher bid, then less than an hour later I was offered a 2nd chance at my high bid. For a moment I thought maybe the high bidder was a shill just to uncover my bid, but the seller has been around for 20 years with no complaints so I chalked it up to high bidder claiming mistake.

Also, if you bid enough on similar items, despite ebay's attempts to hide bidder IDs you get a sense of who are the competitors and how aggressive they are - plus I actually have figured out who some of them are, and whether they are legitimate.

Posted Apr 23, 17 11:11 by Richard Drews (bear427)



I have only had it happen once on eBay, never anyhere else.


Posted Apr 23, 17 10:54 by Paul Dessau ([email protected])

Bidding at auction

I am new at auction bidding. When outbid, and don't want to raise on an item, I turn to another item and bid on it. It is true that if a higher bidder does not pay, I become the highest bidder on my 1st item. How often has this happened to those of you who have been at this a long time?

Posted Apr 22, 17 10:38 by Roger Heath (decoppet)

Thank you.

Posted Apr 22, 17 0:05 by Terence Hines (thines)



  The special delivery fee was not reduced so it was underpaid.

Terence Hines

Posted Apr 21, 17 23:19 by joe kirker (centuryc3)

Special delivery query

Thanks, Terrance Great explanation and just a portion of my C3 collection.

Posted Apr 21, 17 23:18 by Roger Heath (decoppet)

International express

Terrence - Maybe you have the answer for this 1950 cover.

It has a 15 cents Special delivery stamp, either the fee was reduced at some point, or it actually is underpaid 5 cents. Which?

Thanks in advance.


Posted Apr 21, 17 22:43 by Terence Hines (thines)

Special delivery cover

   The special delivery fee for covers addressed to foreign countiures was 20 cents starting Sept. 1926. As to the seemingly excessive postage, I notice that the word "REGISTERED" has been crossed out. Could the postage have been affixed with the intent to register the item and then registration, for whatever reason, was not used?

Posted Apr 21, 17 21:58 by joe kirker (centuryc3)

Special delivery query

Can anyone explain the use of two US special delivery stamps on this 1927 cover to Czechoslovakia? Appears to be a commercial use and I love the C3 plate strip--lots of postage.


Posted Apr 21, 17 11:31 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)


Whilst not disagreeing with Richard, I am a bit more sanguine, especially if you have the cover in hand, rather than just an image Is surely does not look like a 10. The blue of the CDS was eventually replaced by black I don't have records, but maybe in 1853? I rather enjoy the color evolution of the early hard plates. Rarish to rare late OB variations and the brownish carmines -- early on with the delish clarety color -- late in the year feeble and sad. But then the shades go off on another track and they don't come back until near the end of the contract. The return to nice impressions in 1857 (or maybe late 1856) leads one to wonder if they wanted to look good in the competition for the new contract. Sooo -- 1852 actually has a good shot at being right, though I do not claim the analysis is definitive.

Posted Apr 21, 17 10:29 by Bill Longley (longley)

Fargo TV Series

If anyone has an interest in the Fargo television series, the 3rd season has started and revolves around a rare stamp collection.

A fantastic movie (Spanish language but with subtitles) is "Nine Queens" set in Argentina. It is a philatelic equivalent to Robert Redford's "The Sting".


Posted Apr 21, 17 9:29 by Matthew Healey (matthewhealey)


Rich, thanks. I was presuming the 1852 may have been based on contents, which I cannot see (I don't have the actual item). I'm not much good at plating from a scan. I'll go with 11A as the safe option, as it's the cheapest.

Posted Apr 21, 17 8:49 by Richard Drews (bear427)



I would not give the pencil "1852" date much credence. Plating the stamp may help. Comparing colors in scans is not reliable.


Posted Apr 20, 17 23:45 by Matthew Healey (matthewhealey)

Identifying a 3¢ stamp

Hi all, and thanks to Andrew, Stephen and others for replies to my earlier post about the lost villages of Manhattan. Another query, this time for an article, as classic U.S. is not my forte. The auctioneer of this pretty cover does not identify the 3¢ – it appears to be a type II (shows an inner frame line) and therefore would be a Scott 10A or 11A. Assuming the penciled year date of 1852 is correct, and based on the terrific guide to shades on the USPCS site, I'm guessing it's more likely to be an 11A, even though the Scott catalog lists that as being issued in '53. Thoughts?


Posted Apr 20, 17 22:51 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

April 30, 1940

Steven F. -- it is the kind of thing you can look for. You just have to be willing to look through ones or tens or hundreds of thousands of covers. It would, however, be wise to be looking for at least one or two other things at the same time. One that comes to mind is a first day illegal stampless cover (Jan. 1, 1856) cover I found on ebay. What is really bad is if it shows up and you don't bid enough -- which I have also done.

Posted Apr 20, 17 21:11 by Paul Dessau ([email protected])

Town name

Thanks Richard Drews :)

Posted Apr 20, 17 21:06 by Richard Drews (bear427)

town name

It appears to be Ulsterville. Ulster is a county in NY.


Posted Apr 20, 17 21:03 by Paul Dessau ([email protected])

New York town

Can someone who is familiar with New York decipher the town name in the address on this cover?


Posted Apr 20, 17 11:54 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

Collectors Club of Chicago

The club has made big strides in the past few years, due in no small part to Chuck Cwiakala's leadership, but also as the result of a lot of hard work from those members who live in Chicagoland. The library has been reorganized. Rehab work has been done on the clubhouse, and more is planned. The website has been greatly improved; its digital-book resource is a gift to all of philately.

The club has also become more outward-looking, and now invites membership from philatelists who live outside Chicago. In 2015 the CCC invited all speakers and attendees at the Second IAP Symposium to a gourmet dinner at the clubhouse - a wonderful evening.

Posted Apr 20, 17 8:19 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Thank you, Chuck.

Almost every day I get questions about World War II covers. The two CCC references I recommend most frequently are The United States Post Office in World War II edited by Larry Sherman and Intercepted in Bermuda: The Censorship of Trans-Atlantic Mail During the Second World War by Peter Flynn. Now that both titles are on-line, not only will every collector of 1940s postal history will benefit, but also the judges who must score our exhibits.

Posted Apr 20, 17 3:05 by Charles E. Cwiakala ([email protected])

CCC Handbooks Available as Digitized Editions ...

Three additional Collectors Club of Chicago handbooks are available as Digitized Editions (

Chicago’s Crabgrass Communities, Harvey M. Karlen (1992)

First United States Perforated Stamps - The 1857 Issue, Jon W. Rose (2005)

Intercepted in Bermuda: The Censorship of trans-Atlantic Mail During the Second World War
, Peter A. Flynn (2006)

Twenty-two CCC handbooks published through 2006 now are available on the CCC website, including Mike Laurence’s epic United States Mail and Post Office Assistant, 1860-1872. Additional CCC handbooks published in recent years are in various preliminary stages of preparation for entry on the website.

Charles E. Cwiakala, President
Collectors Club of Chicago


Posted Apr 20, 17 0:39 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

The once cent carrier rate of 1863

The one cent carrier rate of 1863 is known from Philadelphia, according to the Evans book.  Has anybody seen it from anyplace else?  It's source is really buried in the regs -- I haven't found it in the laws, but should give it a second try.

Posted Apr 19, 17 21:00 by Ken Lawrence (kenlawrence)

Arrow Philately again

It's been two years since I published Arrow Philately, but a new wave of orders is in, thanks to this review in the first quarter 2017 Forerunners, journal of the Philatelic Society for Greater Southern Africa.


Posted Apr 19, 17 16:41 by John Barwis (jbarwis)

Analytical Philately

The Institute for Analytical Philately, in co-operation with the Smithsonian National Postal Museum and the Royal Philatelic Society London,will sponsor the Third International Symposium on Analytical Methods in Philately, to be held on 13-15 October 2017.

The venue will be the Royal Philatelic Society's premises at 41 Devonshire Place in London. Preregistration is required, as seating will be limited.

The symposium agenda, abstracts of presentations, and registration forms can be seen on the IAP website at:

We hope you can join us.

Posted Apr 19, 17 14:02 by Chad Snee (atgpac)

Re: RPO identification

Russ: Thanks for the reply. Here's the cover in question. There are no markings on the back.

Can't get the picture to load upright. Sorry about that.


Posted Apr 19, 17 0:17 by steven frumkin (sfrumkin)

DC's April 30, 1940 Cover

I like quoting Gomer Pyle but don't get to do it often enough. So here goes:

Surprahs, surprahs! DC's interest in postal history may well have been genetic, passed down to him directly from his mother. To wit:

As he pointed out, she saved everything, but in the case of this cover she did that especially well. It was used on the final day of the 1 1/2 d Letter rate to the US. Next day (May 1st) the rate increased to 2 1/2 d. I suspect that the enclosed letter did not refer to the imminent increase.

Thus cover strikes me as the kind of item one can't go around looking for; it finds you. In this case because someone had the presence of mind to save it 77 years ago.

Suggestion for DC: If you insist on giving this cover away, try to find a home where it will be appreciated for its rate/date significance.

Posted Apr 18, 17 22:35 by Steven Chiknas (chiknas1)

WWI Cover

Lawrence Gregg: Think of it more as a WWI Era cover, unless the recipient was in the AEF or a support group in an official aid capacity.

Posted Apr 18, 17 22:23 by Douglas Chapman (foodrev)

WW2 cover

Thank you Lawrence. I guess I'll be glad to give to someone. My $7 gift. (lol)

Posted Apr 18, 17 20:50 by richard babcock (babcock)

Pineridge Cal.

Would this be a double bell fancy cancel?


Posted Apr 18, 17 18:24 by Lawrence Gregg (ecovers)

WWII letter - Kingston

Douglas - I did a quick search on that well known website where stamps are auctioned everyday and found the same Kingston on Thames cancel for $7, or best offer.

Posted Apr 18, 17 17:45 by Douglas Chapman (foodrev)

WWII letter

Also, I am wondering about that half starburst killer.


Posted Apr 18, 17 17:45 by Douglas Chapman (foodrev)

WWII letter from relative

Going through yet another box of mother's saved goods (everything she ever touched) I have found a letter from a cousin in England posted 30 April 1940.

The enclosed letter has lots of information about the war outside and going to the marker. Many tools seen, etc.

I do not collect WWII, but would not want to see this letter disposed of, so I am asking if anyone here would be interested.

If it has great value (yes, I doubt it) please just give me a bit of its worth. Like say, maybe a nice Pony? (LOL)


Posted Apr 18, 17 8:58 by Russ Ryle (hoosierboy)

re: RPO cover

Morning Chad,

Both are possibilities. Can you post an image(s) of this item? It could come down to where it was sent from and where it was going along with any other markings on this item that might be helpful.

Best regards,

Russ Ryle

Posted Apr 17, 17 23:08 by Lawrence Gregg (ecovers)

WWI Cover -

Here's a cover that I now classify as a WWI cover - because of the Service Flag label on the reverse. The two stars indicating two sons.

Cover was flown from NY to Philadelphia and then put on a ship to France. Franked with 16c Jenny, and 5c blue Washington for the trip across the ocean.


Posted Apr 17, 17 21:10 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

Tragedy of the Scott Catalog

I once bought a group of 19th US catalogs, auction catalogs and directories in an Australian auction.  It included an unlisted early Scott -- 1869 I think.  Also one of the cott catalogs from the 1880s had been sent through the post office and the one cent large Banknote stamp was still there -- in small part -- it was mostly torn off.  I have never seen another such item.

Posted Apr 17, 17 15:54 by Chad Snee (atgpac)

RPO Identification

I've a cover with an RPO postmark dated Sept. 29, 1923. The datestamp is not completely struck on the cover, such that all I can make out is "CHI ... CIN. R P O".

Any help identifying this RPO will be greatly appreciated. Please PM me if you know the answer.


Chad Snee

Posted Apr 17, 17 14:01 by Alexios Papadopoulos (alexiosp)

Swiss postage due

many thanks for your quick reply providing the explanation of my cover!

Posted Apr 17, 17 13:17 by Bill Weismann (billw2)

Prussian Closed Mail to India

It's what I would say is a very scarce use.

The only PCM use to India on an 1861 issue cover that ever saw was in Ray Vogel's collection.  Come to think of it, the only PCM cover with 1861 stamps on it to Hong Kong that I have ever seen was also in his collection.
PCM uses to anywhere outside of northern Europe are pretty darn uncommon from what I have observed.

Posted Apr 17, 17 13:03 by Roger Heath (decoppet)

Swiss postage due

Alexios - The letter arrived at the main Geneva post office and a 50 centimes postage due was applied 12.IV.13 - 5pm. That's the 25 centimes for international plus penalty.

A clerk recognized the address was not in the delivery district of the main Geneva office so the postage due stamps were marked "Annule" because the tax was not collected.The letter was forwarded to the Geneva Rue Du Stand post office where it was received 12.IV.13 - 7pm (back side). New postage due stamp applied the next day 13.IV.13 - XII (noon) and delivered. The postage due fee was collected on this delivery.

Apparently the military free postage request was not recognized. I'm not sure what the blue crayon "40" represents.

Posted Apr 17, 17 12:39 by Bernard Biales (bernard b)

The Tragedy of the Scott Specialized

When the man who originally assemble the Scott (USA) specialized died, the heir wanted to sell the relevant papers -- that is the records of the pieces that were used to create the listings -- to Scott (or some relevant organization) for a not outrageous amount of money.  He was refused and those records were lost to philately.  (Hahn story).

Posted Apr 17, 17 12:08 by Alexios Papadopoulos (alexiosp)

back of 1913 cover



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